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i have to wonder about our d backfield coaching
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:43 am
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:43 am
it seems that since we lost cooper, we have struggled. i know we lost claiborn and peterson and reid but the guys we have now were just as heralded coming out of high school. i also know our db coach is an ex player and a Tiger through and through. does anyone out there have ACTUAL playing experience at a high level (at last high school) that has perhaps analyzed our secondary play in person that can give us an educated opinion? thanks in advance. no video game pros please. 
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:45 am to LSU GrandDad
Germans
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:47 am to LSU GrandDad
This has been discussed several times on here.
Half say Cooper was a lazy recruiter and left us with mediocre talent.
The other half, including myself, thinks it's coaching.
Half say Cooper was a lazy recruiter and left us with mediocre talent.
The other half, including myself, thinks it's coaching.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:54 am to LSU GrandDad
The current DBs have the speed and talent to be good. It is coverage technique, angles to make tackles, and not being in the correct position\coverage. All the issues above point to coaching.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:55 am to LSU GrandDad
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i have to wonder about our d backfield coaching
Really? I haven't seen a thousand threads discussing the same thing so you must be the only one to think this.
Original, way to go paw paw
Posted on 10/3/13 at 10:59 am to TigerEast
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The current DBs have the speed and talent to be good. It is coverage technique, angles to make tackles, and not being in the correct position\coverage. All the issues above point to coaching
thanks for your mature answer TigerEast.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:03 am to chalupa
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The other half, including myself, thinks it's coaching.
Im not ready to put it all on the DB coach. He could be telling them all the right things, but if they have mental breakdowns in games or just dont have the inherent talent some past players have... then it doesn't matter what the coach teaches. I promise none of our coaches taught TM7 how to do the things he did. Obviously they taught him their play calls and where to be... but a huge part of his game was his own instincts. I don't really see any of our current DBs having good instincts other than White, but hes still a true freshman.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:28 am to LSUnation78
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I promise none of our coaches taught TM7 how to do the things he did.
Agreed, you can't teach instincts. But all of our DBs have regressed since Cooper left. Plain and simple. Loston just needs to open his fricking arms instead of acting like he's diving into the ocean. Every. Single. Time.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:34 am to LSU GrandDad
We were lost and confused vs UGA.
Half the time 1 DB was in man coverage, while the other DB to his side was in zone.
Its not a talent thing, its the mental mistakes that are killing us. And that can be fixed.
IMO, we were trying to get to complicated with our coverages. Just run a cover 2 man. I know Mills can guard a guy man to man. And im sure some of our other CBs can. He was great at that last year as a freshman. I mean really great. And Im pretty certain Dwayne Thomas can too. Out of high school he was 1 of the best cover CBs in the nation and it looks like nothings changed at LSU so far. He might need to see more PT.
Get back to basics and run the cover 2 man press with the DBs jamming the WRs at the line and have creative blitzes that we are so used to seeing.
It was almost like we were running a coverage where if 1 WR goes here, this guy jumps it, if another goes here, this guy jumps it, and if this TE goes here, this guy gets it. Its a coverage based on what the opponents routes are, and that can work but only if all the DBs see the same thing and react the same. And clearly that wasnt working. You dont have to be creative in coverages. And I would rather a guy get beat 1v1 where the WR makes a great play or the QB makes a great throw than get beat by making mental mistakes and looking lost.
Half the time 1 DB was in man coverage, while the other DB to his side was in zone.
Its not a talent thing, its the mental mistakes that are killing us. And that can be fixed.
IMO, we were trying to get to complicated with our coverages. Just run a cover 2 man. I know Mills can guard a guy man to man. And im sure some of our other CBs can. He was great at that last year as a freshman. I mean really great. And Im pretty certain Dwayne Thomas can too. Out of high school he was 1 of the best cover CBs in the nation and it looks like nothings changed at LSU so far. He might need to see more PT.
Get back to basics and run the cover 2 man press with the DBs jamming the WRs at the line and have creative blitzes that we are so used to seeing.
It was almost like we were running a coverage where if 1 WR goes here, this guy jumps it, if another goes here, this guy jumps it, and if this TE goes here, this guy gets it. Its a coverage based on what the opponents routes are, and that can work but only if all the DBs see the same thing and react the same. And clearly that wasnt working. You dont have to be creative in coverages. And I would rather a guy get beat 1v1 where the WR makes a great play or the QB makes a great throw than get beat by making mental mistakes and looking lost.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:34 am to chalupa
I don't see a regression. Loston has been like that since he got here. No hate on the kid, he gives it his all... but Reid was the better safety. They were both here for both DB coaches.
I think people are confusing the JAlens "regresing" with getting exposed because the front 7 and safety's (aka Reid) aren't there to pick up the slack.
I think its way to early to start blaming DB coaching. We need to see a lot of improvements across the board on D before we can realistically make that conclusion.
Remember there were those who said Stud couldn't coach up linemen to save his life. This year the o-line is a nationally recognized strength of our team. Let them coach and enjoy the show boys.
I think people are confusing the JAlens "regresing" with getting exposed because the front 7 and safety's (aka Reid) aren't there to pick up the slack.
I think its way to early to start blaming DB coaching. We need to see a lot of improvements across the board on D before we can realistically make that conclusion.
Remember there were those who said Stud couldn't coach up linemen to save his life. This year the o-line is a nationally recognized strength of our team. Let them coach and enjoy the show boys.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:38 am to LSU GrandDad
You'll hear a bunch of people whine about a lack of talent, which only likely exists at the safety position if anywhere, but lack of talent isn't what is killing LSU's DB play.
Yes, we've only got one 5* DB on this team, but before that we had 2 5* and one was Patrick Peterson and the other is still on the team (Loston).
Fact is that talent-wise LSU is not as far of as others like to believe. Sure, we don't have a Honey Badger type player with those instincts, but Mathieu played 2 seasons for LSU, not like he was a 4-year player.
In the end, when you have a bunch of guys that are man 2 man type corners in talent, and you force them to play zone with poor DB coaching, this is what you will get, tons of confusion and blown assignments. Raymond simply is overrated by many as a coach and hasn't proven pretty much anything coaching DBs in his 4.5 years coaching the position so far.
He is given way too much credit for 1 year he coached at Nebraska where their DBs were pretty damn good before he got there.
When you see the regression that Simon and Reid demonstrated in their play last year despite the significantly improved LBer play, it points a lot to coaching.
Yes, we've only got one 5* DB on this team, but before that we had 2 5* and one was Patrick Peterson and the other is still on the team (Loston).
Fact is that talent-wise LSU is not as far of as others like to believe. Sure, we don't have a Honey Badger type player with those instincts, but Mathieu played 2 seasons for LSU, not like he was a 4-year player.
In the end, when you have a bunch of guys that are man 2 man type corners in talent, and you force them to play zone with poor DB coaching, this is what you will get, tons of confusion and blown assignments. Raymond simply is overrated by many as a coach and hasn't proven pretty much anything coaching DBs in his 4.5 years coaching the position so far.
He is given way too much credit for 1 year he coached at Nebraska where their DBs were pretty damn good before he got there.
When you see the regression that Simon and Reid demonstrated in their play last year despite the significantly improved LBer play, it points a lot to coaching.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:39 am to LSUnation78
quote:You'll be ready soon. The entire secondary has been toast since last season. They're confused, don't know the coverages or what their responsibilities are. Calls are coming in late.It's just mass confusion, which goes back to coaching. Raymond/Chavis better simplify things in a hurry or it's going to be ugly the rest of the season. Don't care if he's a former LSU player, Raymond is not technically coaching up to LSU standards. It's an established pattern now. Not just one game.
Im not ready to put it all on the DB coach. He could be telling them all the right things, but if they have mental breakdowns in games or just dont have the inherent talent some past players have... then it doesn't matter what the coach teaches.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:40 am to LSU GrandDad
:beatdeadhorse:
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:54 am to LSU GrandDad
i am not privy to the calls and/or each man's responsibilities within the scheme but for starters they lack ball awareness and ball skills. our safety play really needs to improve as well. i think we'll be good at corner once tre white and robinson get more game experience but the jalens have been disappointing.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:55 am to GeauxGus
Yes, Loston was a 5 Star....BUT he almost didn't make it out of H.S. Not being critical, but let's include all the facts...
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:57 am to GeauxGus
GeauxGus
you have your opinion and that's fine but much of what i have read on here is from people that never played the defensive backfield at a high level. i was hoping to hear from someone (or more) that have experience and it seems to me i have. i have not seen such poor play and confused players since lou tepper was here. and since i have not been able to attend a game yet this year i only get the tv view which is very restricted. there is a damn problem; i can see that.
you have your opinion and that's fine but much of what i have read on here is from people that never played the defensive backfield at a high level. i was hoping to hear from someone (or more) that have experience and it seems to me i have. i have not seen such poor play and confused players since lou tepper was here. and since i have not been able to attend a game yet this year i only get the tv view which is very restricted. there is a damn problem; i can see that.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:57 am to LSU GrandDad
I hated to see cooper go. I liked the Raymond hire bc of what was available but nobody coul quite replace cooper 100%.
I will still give Raymond the benefit of the doubt but last year a few DBs were considered to take a step back. This year we have age/experience issues so I won't quite put the fault on Raymond just yet.
I will still give Raymond the benefit of the doubt but last year a few DBs were considered to take a step back. This year we have age/experience issues so I won't quite put the fault on Raymond just yet.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 11:59 am to chalupa
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recruiter and left us with mediocre talent
White, rashard and mills are all elite talent. The experience/fundamentals are what's lacking, IMO.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:00 pm to Phil2012
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Yes, Loston was a 5 Star....BUT he almost didn't make it out of H.S. Not being critical, but let's include all the facts...
What does that have to do with him being a 5* football player out of high school??
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:11 pm to KG5989
I can't imagine that raymond is making all the de calls in a vacuum. it would seem like the call would come from chavis to be consistent with the dline calls.
if we want to talk bout guys regressing then barrow has "regressed" and logan, monty "regressed" last year. not only on the coaches, some of these guys are being exposed now that they are "the man" at their position.
if we want to talk bout guys regressing then barrow has "regressed" and logan, monty "regressed" last year. not only on the coaches, some of these guys are being exposed now that they are "the man" at their position.
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