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I have always liked the character of Les Miles...

Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:15 am
Posted by Housplants
Germantown, TN
Member since Dec 2006
1457 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:15 am
He has always conducted himself with class and has done right by our players.

Until now...

He is hosing one of of our players directly, and several all the others are catching the schrapnel

JL has stayed with the program despite the terrible treatment he has received from our fan base. He outplayed JJ badly in the spring game, he came into camp this year in great physical shape, and by most accounts has outplayed JJ in practice.

Although we have played three below average opponents (the best of which was missing their entire defensive backfield to suspension), our passing game has been terrible. Our QB has had good completion percentage in two of the games while failing to move the offense effectively, and he played one of the worst games imaginable in the other.

We were leading by 20+ in two of the 3 games (one at half, the other before the start of the 4th), and JL has been allowed to play 3 series and throw a single pass (the most professional looking pass play our team has executed this season).

Our entire team has been working hard to be a championship football team, and they deserve for the coaching staff to give them the best opportunity to be the best team they can be. JJ played about as well as he can play last night, and he managed less than 100 yds passing...that may be winning football against the MSUs and Vandys of the world, but the teams in the west that start with A will be a different story. Our receivers have the goal of being drafted early in the draft and being big time pro players...that is hard to do when your team throws for an average of less than 125 yds/game.



There are two issues at stake:

1) JL may be the better option at QB. No one will know for sure unless Miles lets him play meaningful snaps. Even if JJ is out-playing him in practice (which is not supported by the rumor mill), JL may be the better game day player.

2) JJ could get hurt during one of our tough games...just like the UF game last year. If JL has not had meaningful snaps, he will have a difficult time adjusting to game speed and will have little chance to be successful.

For reasons that we do not know, Miles will not allow JL to play meaningful snaps. I can come up with a few possible reasons, and only one of them salvages my opinion of his Miles' character. If JL has committed some infraction that he is being punished for, then I apologize for making these comments. If however he is not letting Lee play because he does not want the fans to know that he has been playing the wrong player for the last season and 3 games, or because he just doesn't want there to be a QB controversy (which he already has), or because he simply "enjoys" JJ more than he does JL and doesn't want to hurt his feelings, then shame on Les Miles.

Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:16 am to
miles does not want lee to do well in mop up duty and cause a bigger qb controversy than already exists.
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
69626 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:17 am to
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This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 11:21 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66578 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:18 am to
IF you call 1td and 1 pick sick outplayed badly then yeah he did do that in the spring game
Posted by 800lbgorilla
Member since Oct 2007
2331 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:18 am to
quote:

JL may be the better option at QB. No one will know for sure unless Miles lets him play meaningful snaps


How can you say JL hasn't played meaningful snaps? He has started several games for LSU. It boogles my mind when people say lee hasn't been given a chance.

Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:19 am to
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For reasons that we do not know, Miles will not allow JL to play meaningful snaps. I can come up with a few possible reasons, and only one of them salvages my opinion of his Miles' character. If JL has committed some infraction that he is being punished for, then I apologize for making these comments. If however he is not letting Lee play because he does not want the fans to know that he has been playing the wrong player for the last season and 3 games, or because he just doesn't want there to be a QB controversy (which he already has), or because he simply "enjoys" JJ more than he does JL and doesn't want to hurt his feelings, then shame on Les Miles.


or another theory, as wild as it may seem, that the staff believes JJ gives the team the best chance at victory...

the bottom line is this, both QB's have issues running the offense. JJ has the ability to make something happen with his feet, which gives him an advantage over Lee. Lee may have outperformed JJ in practice, but that doesn't mean Lee has overcome his issues with making bad decisions under pressure.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78666 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:19 am to
I hope Les recovers from your stinging rebuke.

Kathy will probably have to pull the kids out of school, now that the Great "Housplants" has chimed in .

Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22506 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:19 am to
There are a ton of guys that play for LSU who bust their arse alot harder than the qbs who don't even get to dress out.
Posted by ready4something
virginia beach
Member since Jul 2008
6541 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:23 am to
What is the complaint. Miles did the exact same thing when:

J. Russell was qb,,,u hardly ever saw flynn
M. Flynn was qb,,,,u hardly saw Perrilloux and when he did it was to run,,,except the two starts.
J. Lee was qb,,,,Lee had 16 picks 7 picks sixes lost a couple of games for us, and he was not replaced until he got hurt.
JJ is qb,,,he knows the wolves are out and will not add to that debate by having Lee sling it around. This is who miles is. LSU is winning I can't find much fault. Only time I questioned him was when he allowed Lee to continue to sling it around, how ironic is that.
Posted by Santa Clause
123 Fake Street
Member since Apr 2004
11450 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:24 am to
Miles perceives JJ as the better team leader. I don't see him being much of a leader, but I don't see much leadership in JL either.
Posted by Housplants
Germantown, TN
Member since Dec 2006
1457 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:28 am to
quote:

I hope Les recovers from your stinging rebuke


So do I

quote:

now that the Great "Housplants" has chimed in


Thanks.
Posted by lsuexpert57
Back Brusly
Member since Oct 2008
1604 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:32 am to
quote:

For reasons that we do not know, Miles will not allow JL to play meaningful snaps.


Could the one of the "reasons that we do not know" be that YOU DON't KNOW HOW TO COACH A FOOTBALL TEAM? I mean, that could just possibly be it right. Maybe, just maybe, our well paid professional coaches know just a bit more about, coaching a football team in general and THIS team in particular, than you do and something has led them to parcel out the playing time at QB the way they have. Maybe, just maybe what they actually OBSERVE at practice is more relevant than what you HEAR is happening at practice. Is that possible do you think? Nah, you gotta know more about how to run the team than they do right? I know your probably a top notch CPA or electrical engineer or something and can only devote your spare time to solving the teams problems, very generous of you and we appreciate it but....STFU!!
Posted by Housplants
Germantown, TN
Member since Dec 2006
1457 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:34 am to
quote:

What is the complaint. Miles did the exact same thing when: J. Russell was qb,,,u hardly ever saw flynn M. Flynn was qb,,,,u hardly saw Perrilloux and when he did it was to run,,,except the two starts. J. Lee was qb,,,,Lee had 16 picks 7 picks sixes lost a couple of games for us, and he was not replaced until he got hurt


During all of those season, the offense was moving the ball. I did think that RP should have been used more at the time, but the offense was moving.

In JL's freshman season, he obviously threw too many picks, and our offense tackled even worse than our defense. However, our defense was so bad that Lee had to take a lot of chances, and he had a terrible year.

We have had one of the worst passing games in college football for the last 16 or so games. I would like to see the head coach find out if we have a QB that could change that problem, even if it makes him a bit uncomfortable.
Posted by Duzz
Houston
Member since Feb 2008
9967 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:36 am to
I think JL is ready since we now have a Defense that can clean up any mistake he might have.
Posted by pitbull20
Somewhere close... real close
Member since Oct 2003
7762 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:36 am to
quote:

How can you say JL hasn't played meaningful snaps? He has started several games for LSU. It boogles my mind when people say lee hasn't been given a chance.


don't confuse me with one of the guys that is SCREAMING start Lee, but he was a redshirt freshman when he was last truly given a chance. If we think JJ should have improved since then, then shouldn't the same be said for JL?

I think we need him to get some reps, and yes reps throwing the ball.... but I don't think we need any more of a QB controversy. Tough spot Miles has gotten himself in with all the QB loss over the years.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33940 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:36 am to
Did he do right by JJ when he threw him under the bus after the Ole Miss debacle last year?

Did he do right by Dexter Pratt? By Storm Johnson?

I could go on....
Posted by ready4something
virginia beach
Member since Jul 2008
6541 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:38 am to
quote:

and our offense tackled even worse than our defense. However, our defense was so bad that Lee had to take a lot of chances, and he had a terrible year.


convo over i see you are a lee apologists. Since when is it a requirement for the O to be solid tacklers? If that was JJ doing what lee did,,,the main arguments would be he couldn't read SEC defenses,,he was as dumb as rocks,,,and etc etc,,,things that were said about J. Russ and R. Perr. I don't know maybe Lee would be a better passer but in this offense when the qb is called on to be a running threat,,,I don't believe he would be that much more effective especially with the way they are calling plays.
Posted by GeauxZone90
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2010
2925 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:39 am to
Agreed.

We don't need JL to throw the ball 35 times a game. But with JL we can have qb that can make the passes when necessary.
Posted by johnrocker
Texas de Brazil
Member since Dec 2009
1245 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:50 am to
this post is one of the best post ever on this site...
Posted by Housplants
Germantown, TN
Member since Dec 2006
1457 posts
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:53 am to
quote:

If that was JJ doing what lee did,,,the main arguments would be he couldn't read SEC defenses,,he was as dumb as rocks,,,and etc etc,,,things that were said about J. Russ and R. Perr. I don't know maybe Lee would be a better passer but in this offense when the qb is called on to be a running threat,,,I don't believe he would be that much more effective especially with the way they are calling plays


Ahh, so it is a race issue with you.

Go ahead and hand onto the pick-6 argument if you like. Be satisfied with have one of the worst offenses in the country.

JL should get some chances to throw the ball. If for no other reason than to convince JJ that he must start taking a few chances in the passing game.
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