Um, no it didn't. I was just curious to see how people thought Petrino or Spurrier would've done here. Nothing in my OP said Miles should've done better or that I wasn't proud and very happy for how Miles turned out.

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Petrino is a whiny-arse sore loser and I don't want him anywhere near our program

I could give a frick of how nice a guy he is. Winning football games without cheating is all people should expect of a coach.

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Posted by Prominentwon

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:46 am to Moustache

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REad this article. Keep in mind USCe wasn't spending like this ]until Spurrier built it.

So what's holding Spurrier back now? Since he's so fantastic.

The money and the facilities are there. Now dig deep into your pocket so you can tell me they don't have the recruiting. It will fit your argument.

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Posted by Moustache

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:52 am to Prominentwon

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So what's holding Spurrier back now? Since he's so fantastic.

The money and the facilities are there.

Nothing now. The next 2-3 seasons will tell if he's still among the elite.

That much you're right about.

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Now dig deep into your pocket so you can tell me they don't have the recruiting.

If you follow recruiting, you'd know that he's doing a great job keeping the talent at home. I find that USCe will be one of the tougher games on the schedule next year.

Gratned, it's still harder to recruit to USCe than UF or UGA. These kids now won't just forget the success UF and UGA had when they were younger back in 02-08.

If you polled the coaches in the nation on where it's easier to recruit at, I guarantee you that UF and UGA would be rated WAAAAYYYY higher than USCe. Clemson may even be rated higher than USCe.

BUt, like you said nothing is holding Spurrier back now. THe only thing that sucks is UGA has a much easier schedule next year than USCe. That much can't be debated. Now if he loses to UF, then he's definitely slipped.

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Posted by Adam Banks

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:56 am to Moustache

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Steve Spurrier

2005----Probably the same record because of Katrina.
2006----NC, I have no doubt we had more talent than UF.
2007----NC, but with only 1 loss somewhere in there.
2008----10-2
2009----10-2
2010----Possible NC year, but I think we were a year away on offense.
2011----NC

Do you know how many NCs Spurrier won in a state with far more high school talent than LA? 1. Guess what it was a 1 loss season (just like ours) with a rematch in the title game (which they had lost the first one)

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Petrino

*this one is hard to say because I feel he would've had immediate success, but his recruiting would've tapered.

2005----probably 3 losses because of Katrina and Bobby's attitude
2006----NC. With that offensive talent Petrino would've been in heaven.
2007----NC with Flynn. WHOA.
2008----3 losses
2009----3 losses
2010----2 losses
2011----1 loss to Bama.

Petrino wouldve been a great hire but who knows what would have happened with him going to the NFL and Katrina. IMO Bobby could never handle katrina and would have possibly lost the team in his first season.

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Posted by Lakebound

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:59 am to Moustache

Since we're going hypothetical in this thread, I'd like to also.

Suppose on Monday night that LSU's defense had limited the bleeding to four Bama field goals. Nothing on LSU's offense changed -- embarrassingly low yardage total, Lee never plays -- yet somehow in the second half, LSU snuck in a TD on special teams and another TD on defense. Final score: LSU 14, Alabama 12 and gimme that crystal, son.

But remember.........the offense was abysmal. Lee didn't even get a snap. (Was Crowton lurking?) But LSU went to the ship and got the crystal.

So.........with the above result would you still have been THIS devastated about coaching decisions -- or, as brought up in another active thread, the character of Les Miles?

Multiple-choice: The future of LSU football is so bright that the fans have to wear (a) shades or (b) paper bags?

Monday was an all-time downer, and it was excruciating to watch all that happened (or didn't happen). But I'm picking (a), so I'm optimistically looking forward to the 2012 season. It's a free country, so you're free to continue the rant on this board or TLDR.

Germans: Thanks, Coach Miles, your staff and players for an outstanding 2011 season.

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Posted by Moustache

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:02 am to Lakebound

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o.........with the above result would you still have been THIS devastated about coaching decisions -- or, as brought up in another active thread, the character of Les Miles?

No of course not, as the crystal heals wounds.

BUT, I would still be very concerned for what we're gonna do on offense next year.

I'm still pretty optimistic because Mett is a pocket guy adn when we ran an I-form/PA attack we looked great on offense this year.

We'll see how are offense will be against UW early. They have Wilcox who seen us this year at DC adn that is the first real team we play.

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Posted by Lithium

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:10 am to Prominentwon

South Carolina not a talent rich state for high school football. And before SOS coached in Gainesville Florida sucked. They were only good when they cheated and got caught.

Spurrier is still a really good coach. However College Football is 80% recruiting. And Les is recruiting.

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Posted by Moustache

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:13 am to Lithium

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Spurrier is still a really good coach. However College Football is 80% recruiting. And Les is recruiting.

I'd say it's more 60/40.

There's been plenty of recruiters who were so bad at coaching it all fell apart:

see UT in '10
see ron Zook
See Larry Coker
See Boise STate or Urban Meyer at Utah

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Posted by LSUnKaty

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:31 am to Moustache

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Um, no it didn't.

Um, yes you did.

Posting how many more wins and NCs other coaches would have is not a criticism?

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I could give a frick of how nice a guy he is. Winning football games without cheating is all people should expect of a coach.

Wrong! There is so much more than that. These players are 18-22 yr old kids and as of right now, they are amateurs. Winning football games is not the only goal and I'm sure it's not the only thing students and families look at when searching for a place to attend college and participate in athletics.

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Posted by Moustache

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Posted on 1/11/12 at 10:34 am to LSUnKaty

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Posting how many more wins and NCs other coaches would have is not a criticism?

Not in my eyes. ONly in the eyes of the really insecure should it be taken as criticism of Miles. I just think petrino or Spurrier are better coaches. Not that they would've necessarily been better for LSU because Spurrier may have completely lost recruiting battles or Petrino may have quit in 07 and gone to the NFL.

But that's why they call it "hypothetical"

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Wrong! There is so much more than that. These players are 18-22 yr old kids and as of right now, they are amateurs. Winning football games is not the only goal and I'm sure it's not the only thing students and families look at when searching for a place to attend college and participate in athletics.

It depends on what you want. If you were concerned about academics and your kid was a 5 star recruit and had a scholly everywhere, then you'd be an absoulute idiot to go to LSU instead of STanford or ND.

If you think you can make the NFL, would you rather have a prick like Saban to prepare you or someone who is a nice guy but doesn't know shite for X's adn O's?

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