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re: Hypocrisy of those who denigrate Dale Brown's accomplishments
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:42 pm to KanomieTiger
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:42 pm to KanomieTiger
I, Too, loved to watch Dale's good teams, even knowing they weren't well coached.
He was a great recruiter, motivator and was ever loyal to his players.
No one at LSU was ever more successful.
He was also right about the NCAA.
Alas, he also cheated...(I know. We're not supposed to admit that part).
He was a great recruiter, motivator and was ever loyal to his players.
No one at LSU was ever more successful.
He was also right about the NCAA.
Alas, he also cheated...(I know. We're not supposed to admit that part).
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 8:11 pm to tigersbb
I do not assume any of that.Anyone in the inside of area booster clubs knew bout it. Cookie Man & Scales..everyone knew. The money man in Lafayette told me himself over lunch at Red's. Openly bragged about it. But I am only responding to the comment that Dale was a coach of integrity & my point was he was not, by any means. All coaches in college basketball cheat in some form or another.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:21 pm to Keltic Tiger
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All coaches in college basketball cheat in some form or another.
So of all coaches are guilty of this should we consider Dale unethical within the sphere of basketball coaches or is he just the norm.
Could it be that Dale might be one of the more ethical of all of the unethical coaches? Or is he one of he least unethical of an unethical group.
Assuming your premise correct about all coaches why does the NCAA just selectively enforce their rules? Some would give the easy answer they don't pursue the blue blood programs, but USC football, Alabama Football, Kentucky basketball would disagree.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:17 am to Keltic Tiger
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"A level of integrity that is unparalleled"? Dale Brown? Guess he went out to L.A. and got J.Williams legit? Or perhaps the money men in Lafayette who were paying him cash under the table to match his paycheck for summer work.
I personally saw John Williams driving a new red 5-series BMW on campus. John Williams --- from Crenshaw in south central LA.
I personally saw Stefond Johnson driving a new 280-Z (or whatever it was called back then). He got kicked off the team and then next week, I saw another basketball player driving the exact same car.
I had a close friend who said Don Redden came into the men's clothing store where he worked and charged $700 (a lot of money back in the mid-80s) on a credit card that wasn't his.
And that's only the stuff I personally know about, and I'm a nobody.
This stuff went on all the time, and not just at LSU.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:45 am to tigersbb
Look who learned a new word...
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denigrate
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denigrated
Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:15 pm to Le Tenia
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ook who learned a new word...
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denigrate
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denigrated
Nice contribution to the theme of this thread..
Posted on 3/28/17 at 1:35 pm to tigersbb
How great a coavh is can be very subjective. Some can say he put LSU basketball on the map while others would point out he had both Shaq and Jackson and still couldn't win a title. Cal was criticized for winning only 1 title during this one and done era with superior talent. Yet his fans will say how UK makes it to the semifinals often.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:03 pm to karralum
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How great a coavh is can be very subjective. Some can say he put LSU basketball on the map while others would point out he had both Shaq and Jackson and still couldn't win a title. Cal was criticized for winning only 1 title during this one and done era with superior talent. Yet his fans will say how UK makes it to the semifinals often.
Cal coaches one of the top five programs in college basketball history with all of its tradition, success and glamour. He virtually selects his recruits every year seldom signing anyone outside of the top 30 players. Yet he has only one more national title than Brown does.
Dale took over a moribund program with little success other than Pete's individual heroics and made LSU basketball relevant and a national power. For 15 years the Tigers stood toe to to toe with the Big Blue nation and did not back down.
What was accomplished far exceeds what did not happen. There are far too many pithy comments on this board about his last four years or not winning a title with Shaq and Jackson. (not directed at you).
Compare LSU basketball between the Bob Petit and Joe Dean era to the Brown years and then compare Brown's tenure to the last 20 years and that should tell you all you need to know.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:33 pm to karralum
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Some can say he put LSU basketball on the map while others would point out he had both Shaq and Jackson and still couldn't win a title
It's actually both.
Dale should get immense credit for lifting LSU basketball from the dead, and keeping us nationally relevant for a 15 year span. That was a hell of a run.
But he also failed when he had a lot of elite talent. He was best with good, but not great, players and could motivate them to overachieve. But when he had studs (Shaq, Chris Jackson, Stanley Roberts, along with several very solid role players), he couldn't get it done.
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