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re: Hypocrisy of those who denigrate Dale Brown's accomplishments
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:23 am to MottLaneKid
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:23 am to MottLaneKid
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The way Dale's last five seasons went down at LSU made me rethink how good of a coach he was.
I love Coach Brown the motivator, the ambassador, the husband, the father and the champion of equal rights for all people. As a coach...?
You get judged by your body of work though. Few coaches are as good at the end of their career as they were at the beginning and middle of their career. I don't judge Nolan Richardson, Bobby Bowden, Lou Holtz, etc. by their last 3-5 years coaching. I look at their overall accomplishments. Dale ended with the four losing seasons where he relied too much on huge recruits that didn't pan out for totally different reasons (Livingston and Earl), but he also had 17 seasons in a row where he had no losing records and made a tourney just about every year. Recruiting and motivating are huge parts of being a good coach. He had his shortcomings, but he had the basketball team rolling for a long time.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 12:25 am
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Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:57 am to prplhze2000
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Dale was the Les Miles of bb. Recruit, motivate, but could not coach in game.
You cant have one of the best tenures in the history of the sec,when the sec was at its strongest, without being a decent game day coach. Game day coaching wasnt one of his strengths but he damn sure wasnt horrible.
He turned a shite program at Oklahoma state into a respectable program. The wasnt by having a lot of talent at Oklahoma state.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 1:00 am to nitwit
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Did Dale consistently run a clean program, Lester Earl notwithstanding?
There isn't a college basketball or football p5 program that doesnt have dirt on their hands.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 2:16 am
Posted on 3/23/17 at 2:01 am to Rickdaddy4188
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There isn't a college or football p5 program that doesnt have dirt on their hands
True
Posted on 3/23/17 at 4:52 am to tigersbb
When LSU and Indiana were playing Bobby Knight said he got worried late in the game. Then he looked down the baseline and saw who was coaxing LSU.
Dale did a lot for LSU. I would love to be at that level again.
Dale did a lot for LSU. I would love to be at that level again.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 5:28 am to therick711
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A 31 point lead with 15 minutes to play is as bulletproof as they come.
I must have been deployed that year because either I don't remember the game (old age) or have repressed it from my memory!
Please, for the love of God, tell me we didn't really blow a 31=point lead to UK with 15 minutes to go?????
Check that...1994....now I remember. Was out of the country in the ME. Might have hurt myself if I'd have been here to witness that.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 5:33 am
Posted on 3/23/17 at 5:44 am to tigersbb
Serious question - who has done more for LSU basketball than Dale Brown? I don't ask because of naming a court or anything like that - I ask as the OP is about denigrating Dale Brown.
The building is named for Maravich, but did he do as much for the program? Bob Petit, Shaq, Collins Temple - have they done as much?
I had my issues with Dale's coaching back in the day and he would frustrate the hell out of me at times, but historically I don't come up with anyone who has done as much to build and elevate a dormant program. Yeah, the end was rough and he stayed too long, but in examining his entire body of work for LSU, he is due some respect and credit.
The building is named for Maravich, but did he do as much for the program? Bob Petit, Shaq, Collins Temple - have they done as much?
I had my issues with Dale's coaching back in the day and he would frustrate the hell out of me at times, but historically I don't come up with anyone who has done as much to build and elevate a dormant program. Yeah, the end was rough and he stayed too long, but in examining his entire body of work for LSU, he is due some respect and credit.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:48 am to 777Tiger
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Neither could coach
Look at the record. Dale Brown's teams made tournament play every year from 1979-1993, and the NCAA from 1984-1993.
Now I wasn't impressed with the way his last four seasons played out, but the man could coach, at least in his prime.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:47 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Can not stand Bobby Knight but one of his famous quotes was 1000% accurate: when asked post game after he had just beaten LSU in the semi finals, if he was worried at the end of the game when it got close, he replied " Well, I was, till I looked down & saw Dale Brown on the other bench." Brown was a great motivator. He could not spell X's & O's. Like John Brady, people here forget just how bad the program was in his years. He called the NCAA the Gestapo Bastards & then had his money man lose his bag of money while recruting Chris Jackson in Miss.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 8:52 am to tigersbb
The vast majority of people who denigrate Dale Brown aren't old enough to remember a time when the LSU basketball team was an absolute joke that played in a barn. Dale tirelessly promoted the LSU brand and made basketball relevant. No, he wasn't the greatest in-game coach but he was a good schemer. (See his junk defenses he created with Shaq) Dale Brown was good for LSU and good for basketball as a whole. He did leave the program in a mess but the NCAA can be partly to blame with the Lester Earl mess. All that being said LSU is better off because of Dale Brown and I'm glad to have met him once and shaken his hand. Maybe one day this board won't be so hateful but obviously today isn't that day.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:11 am to chimneylooker
You guys better pray you live long enough to see another Dale Brown era... I was there, I know.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:23 am to Keltic Tiger
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Can not stand Bobby Knight but one of his famous quotes was 1000% accurate: when asked post game after he had just beaten LSU in the semi finals, if he was worried at the end of the game when it got close, he replied " Well, I was, till I looked down & saw Dale Brown on the other bench."
I'm always amazed at some of our "fans" who enjoy tearing down the program instead of propping it up. If you're going to embrace Knight and dump on Dale at least get your facts straight. Knight was very complimentary of Brown and LSU post game. It was in October in an SI Pre-season article when Knight made his comment. He was mainly mad about how Dale had accused him of cheating by bullying the officials in Cincinnati.
But go right ahead and diminish Brown's accomplishments.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:51 am to I-59 Tiger
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He was mainly mad about how Dale had accused him of cheating by bullying the officials in Cincinnati.
And Brown was right. As soon as Knight slammed that phone on the table everything changed with how the refs were calling that game.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:35 am to Scoob
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Dale could take a team of solid, but not NBA quality players, and make runs in the NCAA tournament. As long as you weren't Indiana coached by Bobby Knight, you wanted no part of a matchup with an "average" LSU team. And he did achieve with talent during the first Final Four run.
But something happened with that second big talented team, with CJ and Shaq and the rest. There were times that they looked like an NBA team, but they never put it together.
you're exactly right, Scoob.
Dale was at his best with good, but not great players. He'd motivate and inspire them to overachieve, and it was terrific fun to watch.
But he couldn't make it work with elite talent.
And what many posters are saying here is true: Dale did many things very, very well and is responsible for lifting LSU basketball out of the shitter, but he was not a great in-game x-and-o guy. He just wasn't, and I watched many, many games during that time.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 11:19 am to atltiger6487
"elite talent"
The problem was, that elite young LSU talent ran into just as elite older Georgia Tech talent. If memory serves me, GT had 3 guys who went on to be NBA stars. I believe we loss by 3, GT went to the final 4, and wasn't the game played in Ga.?
People can knock Brown all they want, but the man took over a program that had been crap for most of its history and turned it into one of the most successful and exciting basketball programs in college basketball.
Now, he let it slide, for whatever reason, but what he did at LSU was amazing considering where the program was when he got here.
The problem was, that elite young LSU talent ran into just as elite older Georgia Tech talent. If memory serves me, GT had 3 guys who went on to be NBA stars. I believe we loss by 3, GT went to the final 4, and wasn't the game played in Ga.?
People can knock Brown all they want, but the man took over a program that had been crap for most of its history and turned it into one of the most successful and exciting basketball programs in college basketball.
Now, he let it slide, for whatever reason, but what he did at LSU was amazing considering where the program was when he got here.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:21 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:Yeah, as I watched that show there were about 5 or 6 instances where I didn't really buy some of the stuff cause I was around and very invested back then. Maybe it was a little selective memory.
Considering that the NCAA never put LSU on probation before the Lester Earl accusation when Dale Brown dogged the NCAA whenever he could (rightly so), I would say he ran a clean program. Shaq said he couldn't afford a TV in college on the "Shaq and Dale" TV special. So it doesn't seem that he was buying players.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:28 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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The problem was, that elite young LSU talent ran into just as elite older Georgia Tech talent. If memory serves me, GT had 3 guys who went on to be NBA stars. I believe we loss by 3, GT went to the final 4, and wasn't the game played in Ga.?
People can knock Brown all they want, but the man took over a program that had been crap for most of its history and turned it into one of the most successful and exciting basketball programs in college basketball.
I've already acknowledged that Dale took a shitty program and turned it around.
And the elite talent we had, the best example being Chris Jackson, Shaq, and Stanley Roberts on the same roster, along with Vernell Singleton and other very solid role players, couldn't even with the SEC. I don't much care about a single game against Ga Tech - that's not what I was talking about.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 3/23/17 at 1:15 pm to atltiger6487
As I recall, Stanley was out of shape and lazy. Shaq was young and although talented, no where near the force he was to become. Chris was an amazing college talent already. I am pushing my memory, but I think those 3 had one year together.
I don't think it's some kinda terrible statement that 3 young guys not together long couldn't win the SEC or go further in the tournament considering all factors.
While Brown wasn't s great coach, he was highly successful until his last 4 seasons.
I don't think it's some kinda terrible statement that 3 young guys not together long couldn't win the SEC or go further in the tournament considering all factors.
While Brown wasn't s great coach, he was highly successful until his last 4 seasons.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 1:36 pm to Lonnie4LSU
of course,Dale also had one of the best comebacks to a sportswriter who asked Dale a question he didn't care for:
"Have you ever masturbated?"
"Have you ever masturbated?"
Posted on 3/23/17 at 2:00 pm to Keltic Tiger
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his money man lose his bag of money while recruting Chris Jackson in Miss.
A reference to the assistant coach's "lost money"
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