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re: How much blame should be placed on the WRs?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:26 pm to AlwysATgr
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:26 pm to AlwysATgr
WRs need to get off press coverage better and run better routes. Dural had 7 catches in 2013 and 37 this year. Quinn had 17, Dupre 14, and Diarse 13 in their first year. I'm not too worried about that group going forward. They need to improve in all areas and I think they will.
The TEs caught 8 passes all year. Unbelievable. Coaches are afraid to let QBs throw between the hashes. If we saw 25 passes attempted between the hashes this year I would be surprised. This strategy helps avoid interceptions but severely limits any passing scheme. RBs caught 42 passes making a grand total of 131 receptions in 12 games...enough said.
Having said that the QB play was simply bad to be charitable. I'd like to think Harris can take over next year. He clearly has a stronger arm and looks quicker than AJ. I'm not sure he is the answer and I don't know how much AJ can improve. I hope I am wrong on both counts because these two guys are what LSU has to work with in 2015 and hopefully 2016, so that the new QB(s) can be worked in slowly or red shirt.
The TEs caught 8 passes all year. Unbelievable. Coaches are afraid to let QBs throw between the hashes. If we saw 25 passes attempted between the hashes this year I would be surprised. This strategy helps avoid interceptions but severely limits any passing scheme. RBs caught 42 passes making a grand total of 131 receptions in 12 games...enough said.
Having said that the QB play was simply bad to be charitable. I'd like to think Harris can take over next year. He clearly has a stronger arm and looks quicker than AJ. I'm not sure he is the answer and I don't know how much AJ can improve. I hope I am wrong on both counts because these two guys are what LSU has to work with in 2015 and hopefully 2016, so that the new QB(s) can be worked in slowly or red shirt.
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:28 pm to Jesterea
The whole passing offense was in disarray. Our best route runner was true freshman Quinn, but he couldn't catch the ball consistently. Dural was pretty much a go route extraordinaire who failed to do much of anything else. Wasn't strong enough to beat guys in man, didn't fight for the ball much either. Dupre was just way too skinny. He needs about 20lbs of muscle because he gets pushed off his routes way too much. Diarse lost his job early, then won it back after consecutive drops by Quinn. I think he will be decent once we find consistency at QB.
All in all, youth at WR did as much damage as the inconsistency at QB. But big heads would fight you til the end if you don't blame all or the majority of it on the QB.
ETA: route runner
All in all, youth at WR did as much damage as the inconsistency at QB. But big heads would fight you til the end if you don't blame all or the majority of it on the QB.
ETA: route runner
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:39 pm to Jesterea
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There were several times, that I recall, when Jennings would drop back and hold the ball for several seconds. It was frustrating, but you would often see that he had no one to throw the ball to. When guys would be open across the middle, like Trey, they would flat out drop the ball.
This is not entirely true. I saw the same plays he was locked in on his primary receiver more time than not which was Dural. Instead of finding his check downs he was waiting for Dural to get open and totally oblivious to everything else such as other receivers and the pocket collapsing around him.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:44 pm to Datbayoubengal
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The whole passing offense was in disarray. Our best 4 out runner was true freshman Quinn, but he couldn't catch the ball consistently. Dural was pretty much a go route extraordinaire who failed to do much of anything else. Wasn't strong enough to beat guys in man, didn't fight for the ball much either. Dupre was just way too skinny. He needs about 20lbs of muscle because he gets pushed off his routes way too much. Diarse lost his job early, then won it back after consecutive drops by Quinn. I think he will be decent once we find consistency at QB.
All in all, youth at WR did as much damage as the inconsistency at QB. But big heads would fight you til the end if you don't blame all or the majority of it on the QB.
I don't agree with you often Datbayoubengal, but I think alot of your current post is accurate and makes sense (it pains me to say that, LOL).
I am excited about what Coach Moffit can do for Chi, I think alot of his issues will get solved in the weight room this next year. The kid is a red zone nightmare for defenses as we saw with his flashes of plays in the end zone.
I was worried what would happen once teams figured out to cheat safety help on Dural's side and take away the go routes. Travin is a great straight line runner, long strider, and will improve on the other aspects of his game. Like Chi, and the rest of the group, they ALL need the weight room with the possible exception of Diarse.
John is a strong kid, our thickest WR, who is still figuring out the nuances of the position himself. He gives us a strong presence in the short game as well as with run blocking. I saw him play some special teams too.
Quinn is the guy that I am telling you now, we have not seen what he can do, except for the coaches in practice and a select few who saw our big scrimmages. I would like us to get him the ball more in open space, with a chance to do something after the catch. We forget that he apparently did alot of things right to start against Wisconsin as an 18 year old true freshman and play the entire game.
While the QB always gets way too much credit for victories, and too much blame for defeats, it IS a team sport, and when things do not go well, ALL should share in the blame.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:49 pm to TigerAlum93
One thing I don't understand is why when every other skill player at LSU messes up they hit the bench with no hesitation. Hilliard, Diarse, Quinn, etc etc, however Mr. Jennings seems to be immune to this chastisement. Miles even went so far as to differentiate to the media earlier in the season that when Jennings gets taken out the game it is not so much as a benching as opposed to getting the qb some reps. I mean wtf is up with that?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:03 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Our WR group is incredibly talented but they've struggled with press coverage all season. Another offseason in the weight room will do them wonders for next year. 
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:16 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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One thing I don't understand is why when every other skill player at LSU messes up they hit the bench with no hesitation. Hilliard, Diarse, Quinn, etc etc, however Mr. Jennings seems to be immune to this chastisement. Miles even went so far as to differentiate to the media earlier in the season that when Jennings gets taken out the game it is not so much as a benching as opposed to getting the qb some reps. I mean wtf is up with that?
Point well taken. I think all of us in life prefer seeing a consistent practice when it comes to "rules", "punishment", "justice", etc. Your question is a legitimate one, one in which I do not have the answer.
I can say this. We all know if ANY of the guys you mentoined in your post had fumbled the football on the kick off late in the TAMU game like LF did, they all would probably find themselves on the bench, LF did not. Why? Perhaps his talent is valued more, as a play or two later he ripped off a long run that led to a FG. It happens at every program. Some are favored for whatever reason, it is human nature. I do not always agree with it, but it is a fact.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:17 pm to Jesterea
The WRs play a big part in why the offense has been awful this year. It's the exact same offense as last year but theres no threat from the wideouts. They don't attack the ball, they drop it when they're wide open, their routes aren't good, and they don't have the strength to beat their cover man.
The OL play is the biggest part though because while Jennings does hold the ball too long (like ZM), he gets absolutely no time to sit in the pocket comfortably to make a throw.
The difference between Harris and Jennings is that when the clock in Harris' head went from 3 to 0 he scrambled and the receivers broke off their routes, while Jennings tried to step up in the pocket to make a completion without the receivers going to scramble situation techniques.
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It'll be much better next year. Hopefully the OL really improves and Grimes earns his paycheck.
The OL play is the biggest part though because while Jennings does hold the ball too long (like ZM), he gets absolutely no time to sit in the pocket comfortably to make a throw.
The difference between Harris and Jennings is that when the clock in Harris' head went from 3 to 0 he scrambled and the receivers broke off their routes, while Jennings tried to step up in the pocket to make a completion without the receivers going to scramble situation techniques.
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It'll be much better next year. Hopefully the OL really improves and Grimes earns his paycheck.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 4:28 pm to TxTiger82
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Smith can't catch and none of the other TEs can run
Apparently you haven't seen Washington run
Posted on 12/10/14 at 5:01 pm to Jesterea
Trey Quinn couldn't catch a cold, much less a pass!
Posted on 12/10/14 at 8:58 pm to Jesterea
One off the passes to Quinn in Bama game was thrown too soon
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:01 pm to Jesterea
minimal. Quinn had an extra bad day against Bama, but otherwise they got too few of passes thrown to them to blame them. The Qb is aweful.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:37 am to Football_Freak
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The Qb is aweful.
Your spelling is AWFUL
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:02 am to Jesterea
NONE....None at All...they come to LSU even with Miles and his Offense and don't transfer , they should be commended.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:17 am to 11thACR
They say running backs need carries to get going, to get in a rhythm. If that principle has any application to WRs, then our guys had no chance. It's hard to make an impact when you're targeted three times in 60 minutes.
Which is why I credit Dural. He made his catches count.
Which is why I credit Dural. He made his catches count.
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