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re: Hey look, it's another 1-0 ball game in TD Ameritrade Park
Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:53 pm to Thunder Tiger
Posted on 6/20/13 at 2:53 pm to Thunder Tiger
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I weep for younger fans who can't remember how this game used to be played.
like when the title game was 21-15? That's a great product
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Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:02 pm to TigerPhan27
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like when the title game was 21-15? That's a great product
back in 1998
Since the NCAA switched to 3 game championship series, the scores have been
2003
4-3, 3-8, 14-2
2004
6-4, 3-2
2005
4-2, 6-2
2006
3-4, 11-7, 3-2
2007
11-4, 9-3
2008
6-7, 19-10, 6-1
2009
7-6, 1-5, 11-4
2010
7-1, 2-1
2011
2-1, 5-2
2012
5-1, 4-1
Nothing wrong with the bats used in 2009. Good pitchers were still getting it done
Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:10 pm to TigerPhan27
quote:If you'd bothered to read through my other posts in this thread and others, you'd see that's not what I'm advocating, nor is anyone else. But, hey, I understand that'd be asking way too much of you.
like when the title game was 21-15? That's a great product
And I know, games like last night's 1-0 frickin' pop up festival - that's a great product.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:11 pm to TigerPhan27
Hey look another guy that pulls up one game, FIFTEEN frickING YEARS AGO, to make an argument. 
Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:24 pm to JJ27
there was nothing wrong with bats in 2009. All the quotes talk about wanting the bats to hit the same as wood (even though players have stated that their wooden bats hit better).
Coleman still dominated hitters, good hitters could take advantage of hitters mistakes, etc.
Coleman still dominated hitters, good hitters could take advantage of hitters mistakes, etc.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:30 pm to TigerBait1127
The fact of the matter is with the bats finally being like wooden bats it exposes college hitters for what they are. A little less talented than single A minor leaguers. So if the NCAA is not ok with this and feels they need something to boost scoring perhaps they can give back some artificial aid to these guys to help them out kinda like smaller balls in girls' basketball
Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:32 pm to Cap Crunch
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At least the camera men are still finding the hot chicks
but fa reals, I want 11-7 ball games, not this 1.7-.4 crap
Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:46 pm to TigerPhan27
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The fact of the matter is with the bats finally being like wooden bats it exposes college hitters for what they are. A little less talented than single A minor leaguers.
First off, I don't think they are as effective as wood bats. If MLB wanted to protect players akin to what the NCAA has implemented, I doubt we would have 3 fractured skulls on the mound in the last 6 mos.
The balance between college level hitting and pitching can obviously be manipulated. Are you saying that the college pitchers are superior in talent compared to their major league counterparts, as compared to the hitters?
The early 1900's MLB HR lead was single digits. Along comes Ruth, who can hit twice that many, and people flock to the ballpark. Amazingly enough, by the '20's, he's hitting 60.
All I'm saying is that they frickin overcorrected. And this is coming from someone who would prefer a good old fashioned pitcher's duel any day.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 3:47 pm to TigerPhan27
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The fact of the matter is with the bats finally being like wooden bats it exposes college hitters for what they are. A little less talented than single A minor leaguers. So if the NCAA is not ok with this and feels they need something to boost scoring perhaps they can give back some artificial aid to these guys to help them out kinda like smaller balls in girls' basketball
except that 1) MLB uses a more hitter friendly ball and 2) The wooden bats hit better than the metal bats right now.
Do you really think that college pitchers are MLB material fresh out? You are ignoring an entire side
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:16 pm to TigerBait1127
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Do you really think that college pitchers are MLB material fresh out? You are ignoring an entire side
That's part of what I said, in a more simplified way. Thanks.
I think this particular poster gets it, he's just biased to great pitching and defense. So am I.
But, they've crossed my line at this particular venue, and it happens to be the place where championships are decided.
I don't enjoy Baylor/Washington bowl games either. I find that kind of shite to be a mockery of the game.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 4:58 pm to TigerPhan27
What's hilarious to me is that this is just now becoming an issue. Why now? Because LSU got knocked out 0-2?
Why weren't you guys raising this issue and calling it the "worst CWS ever" the last two years?
ETA: I have not heard another fan base complain nearly as much. Most have adapted to it. When I went in 2011 (opening year), I don't recall a single conversation about the park in a negative manner. It was simply acknowledged as a fact of the matter.
Why weren't you guys raising this issue and calling it the "worst CWS ever" the last two years?
ETA: I have not heard another fan base complain nearly as much. Most have adapted to it. When I went in 2011 (opening year), I don't recall a single conversation about the park in a negative manner. It was simply acknowledged as a fact of the matter.
This post was edited on 6/20/13 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:32 pm to TulaneUVA
i actually enjoyed the Super Regional more then the CWS, totally barring LSU. the current setup is like watching Soccer or Nascar. no need to bother until the very end to get some excitement.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:48 pm to TulaneUVA
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Why weren't you guys raising this issue and calling it the "worst CWS ever" the last two years?
Every game played contributes to the trend.
One year won't even draw much attention. Two may raise some eyebrows.
Three years and the stats don't lie.
LSU could play this tournament under these circumstances 10 times and maybe win it once, and I doubt that.
The team is not put together for this type of game.
And you carry yourself on here as an open minded, intelligent poster? How could you even sensibly debate pre and post changes to the bats, ball, and ballpark?
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:50 pm to wahoocs
I didn't provide an opinion on the bats, ballpark, or the ball itself. Simply an observation on the bitching
Posted on 6/20/13 at 5:52 pm to wahoocs
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Three years and the stats don't lie.
So two years of data is shite but three is sufficient sample size?
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:30 pm to TulaneUVA
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So two years of data is shite but three is sufficient sample size?
Obviously not in the course of some scientific study.
But, to the trained eye over a television, you might give the benefit of the doubt that a kid didn't square up on it.
2 HR's in 400 AB's is good enough for me to conclude my study.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 6:43 pm to TigerPhan27
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The fact of the matter is with the bats finally being like wooden bats it exposes college hitters for what they are. A little less talented than single A minor leaguers.
And average college pitchers aren't being exposed for what they are. Terrible point.
Posted on 6/20/13 at 7:14 pm to MOT
And average college pitchers aren't being exposed for what they are. Terrible point
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i'll go with that, seemingly too many "great pitchers" out there...
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i'll go with that, seemingly too many "great pitchers" out there...
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:27 pm to TulaneUVA
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What's hilarious to me is that this is just now becoming an issue. Why now? Because LSU got knocked out 0-2?
Why weren't you guys raising this issue and calling it the "worst CWS ever" the last two years?
I was having a discussion with a friend during the SEC tourney about the parks. It has been an issue, it was an issue going into the game which is why ESPN brought it up in the 1st inning of our 1st game.
It was the first time in 40+ years that a homer wasn't hit in the first 3 games
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When I went in 2011 (opening year), I don't recall a single conversation about the park in a negative manner. It was simply acknowledged as a fact of the matter.
you mean before there were any stats you didn't hear any complaining? That is shocking
Posted on 6/20/13 at 8:42 pm to JJ27
Besides, the score was 21-14. Florida State thought about going for the 2 point conversion, but decided it was too early and didn't want to be chasing that point the rest of the game.
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