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re: Herron, Bain, Gilmore not playing much

Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:08 pm to
Ever since Ron cooper left, our defensive talent evaluation has sucked.

I'm tired of beating the players to death. The coaches? Garbage.

Gilmore was very productive in his what, 5 snaps? Play the guy more brick.

Beckwith is extremely productive, but chief needs three years to teach him how to line up in a 30 tech.

Cmon man!
Posted by Mobiletiger
Mobile, AL
Member since Dec 2007
1506 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:10 pm to
Coach O is available......JK
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27721 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:14 pm to
Logan was the last great DT. Ego and Freak were good, not great.
Posted by BrookhavenBengal
Brookhaven, MS
Member since Oct 2007
3421 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:19 pm to
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They should not even be playing right now. Our starters now should have been backups this year.



This.
Posted by Alumni80
Mandeville, LA
Member since Oct 2003
288 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:19 pm to
It's called the Les Miles Dog House, Dog Housing 4 and 5 star recruits is part of your coaches DNA. That is why he only wins 40% of his games against Top 5 SEC games and has gone to the Chic A Fila and Outback Bowls and is currently ranked #15 and loses to Miss St.
Posted by taf
Kansas City, KS
Member since Dec 2003
751 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

Jmo Logan was solid but wasn't on the same level as brockers and Nevis... Brockers is what made Logan.


Logan is a starter in the NFL. So I think he is plenty talented.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:28 pm to
Mass exodus to the NFL is going to manifest itself most prominently in the trenches. This shouldn't surprise anyone. They're just not ready yet, it doesn't have to be anyone's fault.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:31 pm to
Logan is very talented but his senior season he wasn't as disruptive as his junior year. Could be the #18 curse though.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70129 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Alumni80

Man, you seem really upset.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
8807 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:36 pm to
Moffitt gave an interview where he characterized these guys as "Not fit enough to play a single series of SEC football."

This happens. Some guys can just be relatively big (and rather fat) and kick arse at the high school level...then fail at the college level until they rebuild their body comp.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Jmo Logan was solid but wasn't on the same level as brockers and Nevis... Brockers is what made Logan... I think dline dropped off after 2011.. again jmo


Better check Logan's numbers in the NFL. No one made Logan at LSU but himself. And what a BS thing to say, especially when it is not true.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
29974 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:48 pm to
i said the same thing here the other day.

I watched gilmore and bain specifically saturday and they both looked extremely raw from a technique standpoint.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10232 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:56 pm to
Watch Bain. He was getting stood up by NMSU OL and pushed off the ball. That tells you all you need to know.
Posted by SOCAL TIGER
SOCAL
Member since Jan 2005
10721 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:59 pm to
Has to be coaching or willingness to work to improve.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
29974 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:01 pm to
how can you blame coaching when godchaux has taken in the same coaching and has grasped the playbook and got his technique down quicker?
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
76649 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

how can you blame coaching when godchaux has taken in the same coaching and has grasped the playbook and got his technique down quicker?


Bingo.

It's talent evaluation. On the d-line, LSU has been rapidly declining. Look at the staff for blame.

They went to So. Fla. to get Bain and North Carolina to get Gilmore. When LSU goes that far away from home to recruit guys, they should not be huge busts. Are the coaches looking at enough game film? Are they making the multiple trips to see this kids play in person?

That said, Godchaux is a rarity. Louisiana isn't churning out great DT talent, and it's hard to consistently go elsewhere to find it. LSU needs a staff that is elite in finding DTs out of state to make up for the homegrown shortage.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16400 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:09 pm to
There has been some excellent development at DL under Haley (of note Brockers and Logan).

But they are the exceptions. Per Mike Detillier, Freak never learned to use his hands properly. Ego made plays at times but seemed inconsistent.

Either we are doing a really poor job of elvauating talent (as are the recruiting services) or an even poorer job developing players (my suspicion).

Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:30 pm to
Gilmore played better than 91 in limited action Saturday.

Just my $.02
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155450 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:39 pm to
Gilmore looked good vs the run. Get him in the mix on early downs
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

sucks to see ole miss and miss st dominate on DLine while we are having 2 down years


And Ole Miss is doing it with guys who are just as young as ours.
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