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re: Herron, Bain, Gilmore not playing much
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:20 am to TJG210
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:20 am to TJG210
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Hell the technique the guys who play is pretty bad.
That's not true. If Davon Godchaux can come in and do the things Brick requires of his linemen then Bain, Gilmore, and Herron should be able to do the same. It's the players, not the coaching.
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:20 am to RGJ18
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:22 am to RGJ18
Jmo Logan was solid but wasn't on the same level as brockers and Nevis... Brockers is what made Logan... I think dline dropped off after 2011.. again jmo
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:25 am to Mr. Wayne
It's definitely coaching. I can see 1 or maybe 2 "misses".....but all these guys not playing up to expectations?
No way. I'm really starting to question Chief. If not for tremendous talent at the db position the last few years, we would totally be shite. Regardless, he is Haleys "boss" and there isn't anything good going on up front.
No way. I'm really starting to question Chief. If not for tremendous talent at the db position the last few years, we would totally be shite. Regardless, he is Haleys "boss" and there isn't anything good going on up front.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:25 am to The Egg
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i still don't get it.
Let's not pretend that the DT's that are playing are using proper techniques, etc. we are getting gashed for a reason up front, proper technique or not.
i say just rotate em in, see how they perform.
This.
No one has earned 90% of snaps, especially Lacouture. He is not playing well enough to earn that kind of stranglehold on snaps.
We should be rotating every body we have until someone steps up or we find the right mix.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:26 am to davidlsu
i think they are just young, too many early departures...but it is worrisome that Bain and Gilmore are not more involved, we are getting pushed around there cause were undersized, those two are some of our bigger guys...they need to be in there, but if there not ready, then they're not ready...
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:28 am to davidlsu
you severely underrate logan
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:30 am to BilJ
I said it was my opinion, I'm probably way off.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:31 am to LSURussian
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Technique, att. to detail, knowledge of the defense
How difficult is DT technique to learn, seriously?
Plugging the middle is pretty much all that is required for running plays and getting a good push up the middle during passing plays.
Maybe what is meant by poor technique is getting beat by the OL too much?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:33 am to The Egg
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let's not pretend that the DT's that are playing are using proper techniques, etc. we are getting gashed for a reason up front, proper technique or not.
i say just rotate em in, see how they perform.
motherfricking this.
it's not like the starters are playing like the steel curtain ... they are getting pushed around and dominated. I cannot understand for the life of me why they just don't rotate all. the lights don't come on for some players until they get meaningful snaps.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:33 am to davidlsu
This has been a trend recently. Even our two studs last year underperformed.
Either we are consistently bad at recruiting, or coaching them.
you pick.
Either we are consistently bad at recruiting, or coaching them.
you pick.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:34 am to TigerFan55555
I agree with The EGG. It is not like the ones getting most of the snaps are doing much either and they are young as well. Rotate the healthy ones in and see what happens..it couldn't be much worse. Then grade the film, but give them some snaps against quality teams to see where they really are at this point.
The light may turn on for some and for others it may never, but give them a chance. Sometimes, a real game brings out qualities not seen before.
The light may turn on for some and for others it may never, but give them a chance. Sometimes, a real game brings out qualities not seen before.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:42 am to TigerFan55555
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i think they are just young
So maybe their 4th year we can start expecting some production? Why are we recruiting 5 stars if they aren't gonna be used till year 3
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:44 am to ipodking
We aren't getting to much help with 2015 recruiting class for the DLine. We aren't getting any studs till 2016. I'm afraid of our DLine for next year which is suppose to be our year.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:48 am to CP3LSU25
Ya boy Valentine will be available next year. So will LMFAO...just settle down.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:48 am to CP3LSU25
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This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:00 pm to CP3LSU25
See Chris Davenport for a 5* DT who never could contribute. The guy was so big in HS that no one could block him and he made great plays all the time. He gets to college and rarely sniffed the field because he couldn't just push guys around anymore and actually had to use technique. He never could get the technique so he moved to OL and then transferred to tulane.
Player lack development isn't so cut dry as bad recruit evaluation or bad coaching. It has to do with the kid's mental make up. Can he handle the pressure? Does he have the desire to work and learn so that he can be successful?
Ogeron always talks about breaking down the highly recruited guys, so they can know where they stand. Some will embrace the work others won't.
Player lack development isn't so cut dry as bad recruit evaluation or bad coaching. It has to do with the kid's mental make up. Can he handle the pressure? Does he have the desire to work and learn so that he can be successful?
Ogeron always talks about breaking down the highly recruited guys, so they can know where they stand. Some will embrace the work others won't.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:05 pm to TJG210
Hunter is a disappointment thus far.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:05 pm to RGJ18
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I think you mean Brockers, then Logan in 2012. Nevis' last year was 2010. But hey I see what you mean, even though Ego and Anthony Johnson were not bad by any means.
I am sure to bashed for this but Johnson never came close to living up to his hype. He was either over rated or under coached.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:06 pm to pointdog33
People complaining about depth can gladly blame Les and company for that. In 2012, they took 1, read that ONE DL recruit and he was a DE.
Yes, the departures have hurt, but to act like the coaches are blameless in the predicament is ridiculous.
Les and his recruiting strategy are mostly to blame for this mess.
For reference, MSU took the following number of DT's each recruiting cycle:
2010 = 2
2011 = 2
2012 = 3
2013 = 0
2014 = 1
They are going to suffer there in a couple of year with how they pulled a Les by not recruiting any in 2013 and only 1 in 2014.
How about Bama:
2010 = 2
2011 = 2
2012 = 5
2013 = 2
2014 = 4
So there you have it folks. Recruit consistently and have a consistently strong defensive line. LSU did not do that and for Bama this is just DT's and not even counting DE's.
In the end, recruit DT's every year and you'll have depth even with losses.
Yes, the departures have hurt, but to act like the coaches are blameless in the predicament is ridiculous.
Les and his recruiting strategy are mostly to blame for this mess.
For reference, MSU took the following number of DT's each recruiting cycle:
2010 = 2
2011 = 2
2012 = 3
2013 = 0
2014 = 1
They are going to suffer there in a couple of year with how they pulled a Les by not recruiting any in 2013 and only 1 in 2014.
How about Bama:
2010 = 2
2011 = 2
2012 = 5
2013 = 2
2014 = 4
So there you have it folks. Recruit consistently and have a consistently strong defensive line. LSU did not do that and for Bama this is just DT's and not even counting DE's.
In the end, recruit DT's every year and you'll have depth even with losses.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 12:14 pm
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