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Hard to fathom LSU had the #1 defense in the SEC
Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:34 pm
The stats aside, I thought it was a pretty ordinary defense especially since the 2000 transformation of the program. Outside of the Ole Miss game, I can't recall any stellar performances. They got waxed by moo st and auburn and let's not even talk about the Bama lapse and the somewhat fortituous A&M call. It wasn't the worst defense but not nearly the best. Very middle of the road.
It was more like the 08 or 09 defense. I'd rather take effective over statistics. Give me a few lapses but a group that can bring pressure and step it up with the game on the line. I'm ready to go back to the old school LSU defenses who came through when it mattered.
It was more like the 08 or 09 defense. I'd rather take effective over statistics. Give me a few lapses but a group that can bring pressure and step it up with the game on the line. I'm ready to go back to the old school LSU defenses who came through when it mattered.
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Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:52 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I think they were third in league play, but 1 overall in the SEC. Its more of last year being a down year in the overall SEC IMO, and the LSU D-backs keeping the passing yrds down. Once MLB changes were made, the running up the middle got more stingy...
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:05 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Having the most conservative offense of the last 10 years helped also.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:22 pm to crewdepoo
Yes crewdepoo that did help, but also offenses have been way ahead of defenses the last 3 years. Remember 2013 when we as LSU fans were excited about the offense and thought the defense was terrible and in reality the defense was ranked ahead of the offense nationally and in the SEC. Simple fact is the game is changing and offenses rule right now. At some point it will reverse as always. For us as LSU fans this is probably more difficult to understand as we are typically deprived of offense.
Edit to say many on here still don't get 2013 actual results. Look it up it is not difficult.
Edit to say many on here still don't get 2013 actual results. Look it up it is not difficult.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:55 pm to siliconvalleytiger
It's not hard to understand if you know how our offensive scheme works. Our offensive scheme was very helpful to our defensive totals. Even though our offense was putrid our defense was rarely on the field since we never run a HUNH. If you really want to see how by successful a defense is then check the YARDS PER PLAY and POINTS PER PLAY rankings. Those are called PURE stats because they are not skewed by your offense's TOP or the amount of plays ran by the opponents offense.
The same applies to offense too. In 2013 we were 11th in the country in YARDS PER PLAY but we were 105th In plays ran so our offensive totals were average.
Using PURE stats is far better measurement of a teams offensive and defensive success because they are not skewed by plays ran or TOP.
The same applies to offense too. In 2013 we were 11th in the country in YARDS PER PLAY but we were 105th In plays ran so our offensive totals were average.
Using PURE stats is far better measurement of a teams offensive and defensive success because they are not skewed by plays ran or TOP.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:03 pm to NotRight37
Chief gets some credit too
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:20 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Stats don't tell the whole story. I agree it wasn't the best. It was a good defense though.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:30 pm to crewdepoo
Rickdaddy I agree, basics stats don't tell the whole story, but those stats have been used forever in determining ranks in both college and pro. My point is that it wasn't as lopsided as I too originally thought by watching the games. The game has changed though recently, look at the points allowed and yards allowed from the traditional defensive oriented teams. LSU, Bama, UF, TCU, Stanford and many more.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:38 pm to NotRight37
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Remember 2013 when we as LSU fans were excited about the offense and thought the defense was terrible and in reality the defense was ranked ahead of the offense nationally and in the SEC.
In 2013, the LSU offense was ranked 35th in the country in total yards, at 453 ypg. They ran 849 plays for 5893 yards... gaining 6.94 yards per snap. The defense, by comparison, was ranked 15th in total yards, at 341 ypg... facing 872 plays for 4429 yards... allowing 5.08 yards per snap.
In 2011, the LSU offense was ranked 86th in the country in total yards, at 355 ypg. They ran 870 plays for 4971 yards... gaining 5.71 yards per snap. The defense, by comparison, was ranked 2nd in total yards, at 261 ypg... facing 897 plays for 3661 yards.... allowing 4.08 yards per snap.
In 2008, the LSU offense was ranked 55th in the country in total yards, at 368 ypg. They ran 886 plays for 4785 yards... gaining 5.40 yards per snap. The defense, by comparison, was ranked 32nd in total yards, at 325 ypg.... facing 846 plays for 4232 yards.... allowing 5.00 yards per snap.
In 2007, the LSU offense was ranked 26th in the country in total yards, at 439 ypg. They ran 1054 plays for 6152 yards... gaining 5.84 yards per snap. The defense, by comparison, was ranked 3rd in total yards, at 284 ypg...... facing 915 plays for 4043 yards... allowing 4.42 yards per snap.
In 2006, the LSU offense was ranked 11th in the country in total yards, at 417 ypg. They ran 818 plays for 5427 yards... gaining 6.63 yards per snap. The defense, by comparison, was ranked 2nd in total yards, at 243 ypg... facing 764 plays for 3156 yards... allowing 4.13 yards per snap.
In 2005, the LSU offense was ranked 60th in the country in total yards, at 374 ypg. They ran 869 plays for 4863 yards.... gaining 5.59 yards per snap. They defense, by comparison, was ranked 2nd in total yards, at 239 ypg... facing 833 plays for 3469 yards.... allowing 4.16 yards per snap.
TL;DR version: the 2013 offense was the most balanced and productive offense in the modern history of LSU football, and the 2013 defense was even worse than the 2008 Malveto experiment.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:51 pm to NotRight37
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Remember 2013 when we as LSU fans were excited about the offense and thought the defense was terrible and in reality the defense was ranked ahead of the offense nationally and in the SEC
Right but only because of our schemes. In 2013 only 10 teams in all of cfb were more successful than lsu when the ball was snapped, but lsu doesn't snap the ball as often as other teams. That's the only reason our offense was ranked that low in the NCAA and the SEC. While analyst and the NCAA use total offense, coaches use yards per play and pints per play because they aren't skewed by plays ran.
2013 LSU OFFENSIVE RANKINGS
9th in POINTS PER PLAY
11TH IN YARDS PER PLAY
105TH IN PLAYS RAN.
The ranking in plays ran was the ONLY REASON our TOTAL OFFENSIVE RANKING were what they were. No other reason at all.
The same goes for defense. When our 2014 defense is 5th in the sec(26th nationally) in Opponents YARDS PER PLAY but our offensive Time of Possession is 9th in the entire country, it's pretty much guarantees that you'll have low defensive totals.
If you want to know a past offense's or past defense's success look at yards per play or points play because they are pure. They aren't skewed by anything. They measure success once the ball is snapped and the amount of times a ball is snapped has no bearing on the number. Now I'm talking over a season. Of course those numbers change during the season.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:53 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I don't give a damn what the stats "said", LSU did not have a great defense in 2014. in the first part of the season, we got steamrolled in the SEC. naturally our D was stellar against the weak teams on our OOC schedule. we got tougher but our D was completely dominated by notre dame in the bowl. not to mention folding again late against bama.
i'm not sure what stat(s) comprise the ranking of defenses but they sure aren't an ironclad way to describe a defense.
imo, our defense was mostly responsible for four of the five games we lost. msu, auburn, bama and notre dame.
i'm not sure what stat(s) comprise the ranking of defenses but they sure aren't an ironclad way to describe a defense.
imo, our defense was mostly responsible for four of the five games we lost. msu, auburn, bama and notre dame.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:54 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Read an interview recently from one of our defensive guys (I think it was White), who said they definitely didn't feel like the #1 defense last year.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:00 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I am sure time of possession may help with a run style offense.
Also, we may have dominated the inferior competition. Even our best out of conference opponent had a weak offense at the time because they had no quarterback.. Yes awesome running back, but we were able to key in on that.
We had some really poor games defensively against Miss St, and Auburn though.
We also had benefit playing an pathetic Florida offense, and there were no real quarterbacks throughout the league aside from Dak..
Also, we may have dominated the inferior competition. Even our best out of conference opponent had a weak offense at the time because they had no quarterback.. Yes awesome running back, but we were able to key in on that.
We had some really poor games defensively against Miss St, and Auburn though.
We also had benefit playing an pathetic Florida offense, and there were no real quarterbacks throughout the league aside from Dak..
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:01 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I really wouldn't mind being the #2-5 defense in the league, as long as we are created turnovers, making sacks, forcing fumbles, etc..
I would MUCH prefer that than simply having the fewest average yards given up as a whole schedule..
I would MUCH prefer that than simply having the fewest average yards given up as a whole schedule..
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:04 pm to beauchristopher
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and there were no real quarterbacks throughout the league aside from Dak.
Blake sims?
Nick Marshall?
Brandon Allen?
There were 12 qb's in the SEC ahead of Jennings.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Yes. I love the cock.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:14 pm to monsterballads
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Blake sims? Nick Marshall? Brandon Allen? There were 12 qb's in the SEC ahead of Jennings.
blake sims was not an elite quarterback. he wound up having good numbers though
nick marshall was a productive quarterback and we got worked. i mentioned this.
kyle allen was a freshman, he nearly lost to ULMonroe at home, did take advantage of Auburn and Mizz' D
sorry you said brandon allen,
brandon allen is no where near as good as made out to be, he was atrocious vs miss st the game prior to us
every quarterback was ahead of jennings
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:58 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Defenses in the SEC were no better than those in any other conference last year.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 6:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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if you know how our offensive scheme works. Our offensive scheme was very helpful to our defensive totals. Even though our offense was putrid our defense was rarely on the field since we never run a HUNH. If you really want to see how by successful a defense is then check the YARDS PER PLAY and POINTS PER PLAY rankings. Those are called PURE stats because they are not skewed by your offense's TOP or the amount of plays ran by the opponents offense.
The same applies to offense too. In 2013 we were 11th in the country in YARDS PER PLAY but we were 105th In plays ran so our offensive totals were average.
Using PURE stats is far better measurement of a teams offensive and defensive success because they are not skewed by plays ran or TOP.
So basically we run clock, everyone else has gotten into a 2minute drill for the whole damn game? That's the way it seems anyway. Good points Rick
Posted on 8/9/15 at 7:32 pm to siliconvalleytiger
The stats aside, I thought it was a pretty ordinary defense especially since the 2000 transformation of the program. Outside of the Ole Miss game, I can't recall any stellar performances. They got waxed by moo st and auburn and let's not even talk about the Bama lapse and the somewhat fortituous A&M call. It wasn't the worst defense but not nearly the best. Very middle of the road. It was more like the 08 or 09 defense. I'd rather take effective over statistics. Give me a few lapses but a group that can bring pressure and step it up with the game on the line. I'm ready to go back to the old school LSU defenses who came through when it mattered.
I posted about this a couple of months ago. Statically, it lined up with the 2010 defense and that's even with the crazy games against Auburn and MSU.
The 2014 season on offense and defense pretty much lined up with the 2010 team. The only difference was that we didn't win the close games. In that year, we did what we needed to do to beat Bama, Tennessee, and UF in final minute games. This year we didn't do what we needed against Bama and ND to put those games away in the final minutes. We haven't been able to do that since 2011.
I posted about this a couple of months ago. Statically, it lined up with the 2010 defense and that's even with the crazy games against Auburn and MSU.
The 2014 season on offense and defense pretty much lined up with the 2010 team. The only difference was that we didn't win the close games. In that year, we did what we needed to do to beat Bama, Tennessee, and UF in final minute games. This year we didn't do what we needed against Bama and ND to put those games away in the final minutes. We haven't been able to do that since 2011.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 7:33 pm
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