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Gymnastic judges re-figured beam scores

Posted on 1/10/16 at 5:49 pm
Posted by tigersbb
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 5:49 pm
At the end of yesterday's great opening meet the announcer stated the final team scores were delayed as the judges were re-figuring beam scores. Can anyone explain what the issue was? Why were they refiguring scores they had already posted? Have not been to a lot of meets but this was a first. Does this happen often?

It gives the impression of chicanery especially since Oklahoma had just finished beam and it was clear LSU had finished strong on floor and had taken the meet. The final results seemed a lot closer when considering the apparent OU beam scores when first posted. Any idea what happened?
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 5:53 pm to
prob bc the judges HATE LSU
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 5:57 pm to
I hate any sport that utilizes judges.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10312 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 5:57 pm to
Actually thought they did a fair job of scoring throughout, just the end announcement seemed strange.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 5:58 pm to
There could have been an appeal as to the degree of difficulty for a given routine. There are also specific point deductions for not performing a specific skill and how far a slip was. Not sure if they use video, but gymnastics TV coverage has a long way to go in explaining these things.
Posted by CheerWhine
A little bit of Mardi Gras
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:01 pm to
I can't say exactly why, but I do know they changed Ewing's beam score. She originally scored 9.775, but it was changed to 9.825. They were probably taking a really close look at that one.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:01 pm to
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I hate any sport that utilizes judges.
there is a reason bama always wins the sec championships
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:02 pm to
Bama bias.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10312 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

There could have been an appeal as to the degree of difficulty for a given routine. There are also specific point deductions for not performing a specific skill and how far a slip was. Not sure if they use video, but gymnastics TV coverage has a long way to go in explaining these things


That could very well be the case. I was not clear whether coaches are allowed to question judge's scoring. It would seem that it would require video if for example the issue was how far a slip was.

Do the judges confer with each other or just score independently and then average the scores.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 6:08 pm
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10312 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:10 pm to
quote:

I can't say exactly why, but I do know they changed Ewing's beam score. She originally scored 9.775, but it was changed to 9.825. They were probably taking a really close look at that one


That is a fairly significant change. Was that done at the end of the meet or earlier while LSU was on beam?
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:12 pm to
Any sport that relies on points awarded by bystanders instead of on head-to-head competition is not a sport, it is a hobby at best.
Posted by CheerWhine
A little bit of Mardi Gras
Member since Apr 2014
73272 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

That is a fairly significant change. Was that done at the end of the meet or earlier while LSU was on beam?


I was watching online, but judging by Twitter, it was done at the end of the rotation, before LSU went to floor.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:22 pm to
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Any sport that relies on points awarded by bystanders instead of on head-to-head competition is not a sport, it is a hobby at best.


Boxing?
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34769 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:25 pm to
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Any sport that relies on points awarded by bystanders instead of on head-to-head competition is not a sport, it is a hobby at best.
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
8185 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:26 pm to
Since a victor can be determined by judges, boxing is also just a hobby.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23077 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:27 pm to
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Since a victor can be determined by judges, boxing is also just a hobby


Lol ok
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
8185 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:30 pm to
Truthfully, football is the only real sport. I can't respect or enjoy any of the others.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 6:31 pm
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4250 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:36 pm to
Damn. I had big money on this
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10312 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:45 pm to
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Any sport that relies on points awarded by bystanders instead of on head-to-head competition is not a sport, it is a hobby at best


It really does not matter what it is called, but the skill level required in gymnastics is much higher than most sports. The difference between winning and coming in second may be a very slight nuance such as a foot slide. You have to be so precise in all phases of the routine.

In baseball you don't have to hit the ball squarely to get a hit , just hit it where they ain't. You can throw someone out on a perfect throw or one in the dirt.

A quarterback just needs to get the ball in the vicinity of the receiver for a completion. I know sometimes they make that great back shoulder throw or the receiver catches it in stride, but most throws are not perfect text book style.

Baksetball you can shoot 50% and be a pretty good player.

Instead of disparaging a sport why not just appreciate the particular skill required and the accomplishment within the parameters of that sport.


Posted by RoyaleWithCheese
Member since Jan 2013
596 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:47 pm to
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Can anyone explain what the issue was? Why were they refiguring scores they had already posted?


The start value of Sydney Ewing's balance beam routine was judged at a 9.9. LSU disputed this with the judges arguing that it should have had a start value of 10.0 and won the dispute.

That tenth of a point was critical with how close the meet was. Between Ewing's routine and the dispute being resolved LSU was trailing by a tenth of a point
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