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re: Guice and Jackson practicing kickoffs with Fournette
Posted on 8/10/15 at 1:59 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 8/10/15 at 1:59 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I'm just bored at work and feel like discussing shite.
You must have a very important and responsible job. The company is obviously getting value and efficiency out of you. You should be proud. Appears to have strong work ethic.
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I just don't see the point of him returning kicks if we have other beasts we could put back there, especially if we want him to get 20 carries a game.
Thank god some of you aren't our coach, or a coach in general. It's always the back-up that you have never seen play that is THE BEAST. LMAO. It just blows me away at the level of ignorance that some of you have. LF is very good at it, and will only get better....and there are no fumble issues. Yet you want those BEASTS to do it without ever seeing them actually do it. UNREAL.
Also, some of the greatest running backs ever to play the game did in, with Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker.....I have hope that LF will join that elite group....you put your best player back there. Name a player that you think is better than LF on the team, in general? On second thoughts, don't. You will just throw names out there that haven't even played yet.
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 1:59 pm to massiveattack
A 5 year old could see they needed to be there
Glad to hear
Glad to hear
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:00 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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Tigerinthehollow
You're kind of a dick
Relax man, not a big deal.
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Also, you don't know what the word "if" means.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:02 pm to GeauxPack81
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The point is that the marginal gain, if even existent (I tend to think Donte Jackson could be a much better KR for us) is not worth the marginal risk of injury.
If you assume the gain is marginal and that Fournette is somehow fungible on kickoffs . . . that's a ton of unfounded assumptions.
Here is Gurley's last two carries where he got hurt. LINK Clearly that one kickoff return he had at the beginning of the game caused it. The point is people are using Gurley as an example and that doesn't make any sense. Gurley was not hurt by work load or exhaustion. That is a myth that needs to be done away with.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
I've heard this argument all my life and yet nobody ever names a player that was injured on a return. I cannot remember one at LSU. I'm sure some blockers and tacklers have been and probably some return guys as well. I say put the best guys in there.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:08 pm to therick711
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If you assume the gain is marginal and that Fournette is somehow fungible on kickoffs . . . that's a ton of unfounded assumptions.
Well we don't know if the gain is marginal relative to the other options on the team.
IF (see that word hollow?) there are other guys that are very good at it I think they should do it. But again, not a huge deal.
I do think Donte Jackson's skillset is perfect for it. I hope he has good ball security. That kid can frickin' fly.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:11 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Well we don't know if the gain is marginal relative to the other options on the team.
Do you have any statistics that support your implied assertion that a return man's likelihood of injury is higher than a running backs or other skill players on a normal play? I've searched high and low and never found such a statistic.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:21 pm to therick711
I don't want LF back there. We don't need him back there. We've got PLENTY of athletes on this team to return KOs. That's an injury waiting to happen.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:22 pm to therick711
There is a chance for injury right?
And exhaustion injuries are a thing right?
I know NFL had some research where they found chances of critical injuries is double on kickoffs as it is on normal plays, but I'm sure that's the coverage people getting hurt being kamikazes.
I don't know man, I don't care enough about this topic to keep discussing
I just think IF we have someone as good or close to as good that doesn't serve such a vital role to the team as LF, why not use them?
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I think you misinterpreted my assumptions. I never meant that he had a higher chance of injury compared to normal plays. I just meant there is a chance for injury. The comment you quoted was about return skill, not chance of injury.
But again, read this initial comment. I'm done, it's not a big deal.
And exhaustion injuries are a thing right?
I know NFL had some research where they found chances of critical injuries is double on kickoffs as it is on normal plays, but I'm sure that's the coverage people getting hurt being kamikazes.
I don't know man, I don't care enough about this topic to keep discussing
I just think IF we have someone as good or close to as good that doesn't serve such a vital role to the team as LF, why not use them?
ETA:
I think you misinterpreted my assumptions. I never meant that he had a higher chance of injury compared to normal plays. I just meant there is a chance for injury. The comment you quoted was about return skill, not chance of injury.
But again, read this initial comment. I'm done, it's not a big deal.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:24 pm to monsterballads
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If fournette is going to be the work horse 20 carry back then let Jackson and guice return kicks
Agreed. We don't need LF hurt on a kickoff.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:25 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I know NFL had some research where they found chances of critical injuries is double on kickoffs as it is on normal plays, but I'm sure that's the coverage people getting hurt being kamikazes.
the NFL research was on all special teams players, not returners. The majority of KOR injuries occur on players that are non-returners. The reasoning is pretty clear, there are more of them, their impacts are more violent, the NFL used to allow large wedges, and those guys get hit on plays that returners don't even return the kick.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:26 pm to therick711
Yeah I basically said that in the comment you quoted 
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:27 pm to The Baker
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Sounds like a competition to me.
you cant have a competition in preseason for a kick returner. The 1st time they go live will be against Mcneese. All three are fast and can catch...........thats about all you will determine from fall camp
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:27 pm to TheCaterpillar
That's right. So, I'm assuming you don't happen to know of any studies that look at just returners?
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:27 pm to massiveattack
Can't wait to see Guice with the ball in his hands.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
You cannot deny the risk of injury on kickoffs. Hell the NFL thought about stoping KOs all together.
Remember when Jarvis Landry blew up that auburn returner in 2011. Injuries happen when two large human beings are running at each other at full speed.
Remember when Jarvis Landry blew up that auburn returner in 2011. Injuries happen when two large human beings are running at each other at full speed.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:36 pm to therick711
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That's right. So, I'm assuming you don't happen to know of any studies that look at just returners?
No?
Where are we going with this?
My only point is:
IF we have someone as good at KO returns as LF that isn't as important to the team, shouldn't we let them do this? That's it. No more, no less.
There is always a risk for injury for every player on the field at any given time. Not saying its higher for KO returners.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:40 pm to TigerAlum93
The hit he took in the Bama game I think it was, was brutal. I think someone missed a block.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:51 pm to TheCaterpillar
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IF we have someone as good at KO returns as LF that isn't as important to the team, shouldn't we let them do this? That's it. No more, no less.
I agree
Or at least have someone else in the rotation. If the defense fails us in a game and we get into a shoot out LF is going to be vital to the offense. We don't need him returning 7 kick offs in a shoot out type of game.
And if Jackson proves to be effective it might be an opportunity to get the ball in his hands.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:54 pm to TheCaterpillar
If the risk of injury is a way to convince him to relinquish the role, I'm all for using it.
But, truthfully, he is no longer the best candidate for that role. He's a North-South guy that is definitely fast and agile for his size, but not known for his shiftiness or ability to hit a crease.
No way the staff isn't already aware of this, but I was told it was part of his "deal", so I guess we'll see what happens.
He won't return kicks in the NFL.
But, truthfully, he is no longer the best candidate for that role. He's a North-South guy that is definitely fast and agile for his size, but not known for his shiftiness or ability to hit a crease.
No way the staff isn't already aware of this, but I was told it was part of his "deal", so I guess we'll see what happens.
He won't return kicks in the NFL.
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