re: Good read on LSU and Les Miles, Fear the Hat!!

Mile's wrote that Article' with the WANT for better recuits and a WANT for respect and a WANT for something positive to be said about him and a WANT that things could get better . and a WANT to keep the nearly 4 million a year coming in

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Even if the entire rant represented the sum of Tiger fans

most agree things have gone downhill, to disagree is assinine....losing SEC record last two years...

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So you made an illogical claim that the entire fan base think that the program has gone downhill and I gave an argument that there is no proof for that.

Your rebuttal is an ad-hominem attack and proceeding to beg the question as to why we are going downhill.

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Really!!? Then what in gods name do you base it on? R U serious? People that strive for perfection very rarely fall off the way LSU football has recently...Now, I said he should be given the chance to correct it, I however would choose to put someone in the position who does have a contiual drive to do the best with what they have...4 million dollar coaches have that...

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Why is there an assumption that if I have the drive and desire that I should be able to achieve something?

No matter how hard I try or long I practice I cannot equal Kobe! For that matter nor can most of the existing NBA players.

There is an equally wrong assumption that if something is not achieved it could be because of lack of desire or drive?

Lots of things go wrong even when we put in our efforts worth - slip between cup and the lip situations.

My reply was with regards to your assumption that Miles had lost his drive and I was pointing out that it had no basis (unless if you knew it first hand)

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No, it can't, No more than coachspeak can be used as valuable pre game or post game information.

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The point I was trying to make was at worst there is the flimsy coach speak which can be used to support the evidence that he is good - I agree that it is lame and not representative of true feelings.

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There is none because it would become bulletin board material. If you seriously believe that opposing coaches and players will come out in public and disrespect Miles, your posting credibility just went down the drain. The proof that you need is just to watch the games

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Your argument about what they think is Ad Ignorantium - arguing that if something hasn’t been proved false, then it must be true. Since no one can prove that they have not said that they don't fear him , then it must be true that they don't fear him.

I don't believe that anyone would come out and say it because I really don't think that any coach at this level would be scared of any other coach - they are paid big bucks and they accept the jobs because they are not going to have a losing attitude.

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Bama pounded it at us in the 4th quarter, there was no fear that Miles would win the game or the defense would stop them. Florida played keep away, there was no fear that Miles superior coaching abilities or our offensive prowess would come through and win the game. Ole Miss- need I say more. Penn St. in the final minutes, need I say more.

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So if they fear the coach or think of him as equal the reaction of Bama would be to not pound it?
Florida with a gimpy Tebow (who came back from a concussion) would have played differently had it been any other coach and you can prove this?

It is illogical to conclude that coaches pound it away or play a certain way to win because they think the other coach doesn't know how to win - they do it because that worked for them that day and they are going to continue to do it.

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Coaches look at that film and laugh their assess off, there is no fear of LSU.

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ETA: I might be convinced (and probably already am to an extent) to agree with you that we might have lost that "fear factor", if such things exist. But for the sake of a discussion that would be purely subjective and not rational(unless if first hand information is there to prove it)

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You are delusional if you think Miles is a respected coach.

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You are wrong.

We positigers love Miles. He has a 51-15 record. He is 8-8 in the SEC the last two years, which is the toughest conference to play in. Our offense was ranked 112 because we play in the SEC, who has the fastest defenses. This year should be blamed on the players, because they did not develop themselves or discipline themselves. It was not Miles's fault during the Ole Miss debacle, and the blame is on towel boy for not calling the timeout. 2010 is our year, we will compete in SEC, Miles will right the ship, Miles will unleash a secret play book that will involve Sheppard in 3 plays. We are LSU.

FEAR THE HAT!!!

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ETA: I might be convinced (and probably already am to an extent) to agree with you that we might have lost that "fear factor", if such things exist. But for the sake of a discussion that would be purely subjective and not rational(unless if first hand information is there to prove it)

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There isn't any "proof" that this exists, it is my opinion and this is an opinion based board. The fact that you keep asking for "proof" to support my argument, all the while knowing that you also have no "proof" to support yours, shows that you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, and borders on delusional thinking.

I believe that no teams or coaches fear LSU or Les Miles, and you do. That's it, basically. My proof is what my eyes see and what my brain and heart believe. If you don't agree, I can't help you with that.