re: Good read on LSU and Les Miles, Fear the Hat!!

I agree.

Personally I fear the Hat very much.

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That can't be true, Nick Saban never lost a game remember!?!

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Saban surely lost some games, and surely fans were upset. But I can't recount one time that fans lost faith in the program or feared that it was going on a downward trend with Saban. Your argument and sarcasm are stupid because you miss the finer point. You knew with Saban that even after a bad loss some arse was going to get kicked and some things were going to get fixed. That's called faith in the plan.

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But I can't recount one time that fans lost faith in the program or feared that it was going on a downward trend with Saban.

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Then you conveniently forgot losing to UAB and getting worked by Florida and Auburn and having Articles written about what a bad hire Nick Saban was and from my recollection Tiger fans were pretty outraged.

I was in Blacksburg when Vtech (who we should have beaten like a drum) smacked us around and I argued with a number of Tiger fans that the loss was not proof that Saban could not prepare a football team.

Then 2003 came along and all was forgotten.

The problem for Les is that many have NEVER gotten over Saban leaving so it really doesn't matter what he does, it'll never be good enough!

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The problem for Les is that many have NEVER gotten over Saban leaving so it really doesn't matter what he does, it'll never be good enough!

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Yes, nevermind his time management. The quickest he has ever called a timeout was when we intercepted against Tenn. Worst clock management possible for years. He is a horrible game manager and that does not change if Saban never existed.

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Among coaches he is. That's why he is able to get guys from other teams like Tennessee (prior to Kiffin bolting) and Florida. They know he cares about their careers and growth as coaches. Where's your proof other than media opinion that he's not?

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I agree. Getting top assistants to come coach with you says a lot, but there are many reasons why that could be true. Assistants continually getting jobs elsewhere says even more. Les Miles has enjoyed both.

He has shown some coaching weaknesses over the last couple of years. He may not be Saban, Meyer, etc. and he may never be.

He is a good coach though. I think he's just not great. Good may not be enough at LSU, but all evidence points to him being at least a good coach.

Miles goes into another year with something to prove. Then, even if he is successful, he'll have to prove than he can do it again.

Look at Miles' place in LSU coaching history in the below link. He may not last past 2010. He may only be a "good" coach. What he's done shouldn't be marginalized though.

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No one in CFB fears Les Miles, I hate to burst your bubble. In fact, they may relish the thought of going up against him. You might could make the argument that there is some fear of LSU as a program, because of all the athletes, but most certainly there is no fear of Les Miles.

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Logical Reasoning at its best - apart from others spouting this same thing - do you have any other link by a coach/school that points to this or do we have to take your word for this.

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Then you conveniently forgot losing to UAB and getting worked by Florida and Auburn and having Articles written about what a bad hire Nick Saban was and from my recollection Tiger fans were pretty outraged.

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I didn't "conveniently forget it", I never saw that. I wasn't on the internets with td.com then either, but I never recalled reading anything in the papers or by sportwriters that Nick was in over his head like I have with Les.

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So do Miles 1st three years not count?

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Sure, he has continued to plunge further down each year...so absolutely, they count.

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Does his national title not count?

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Backing into that national championship was an absolute indicator of the things that have transpired since.

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And I don't want to hear how it was Saban's recruits, that is the stupidest argument one could make unless you want to say Saban is only because of Shula's recruits and Myer only won with zook's.

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Granted, but where did they take that talent base and where has Miles taken similar talent base? That is not a very good argument if you think through it a bit. It really makes Miles look more incompetent with his colleagues (?) in the league.

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My expectation is that our D@mn fine football coach will return to the form and standard he established in his first three years and I believe we will be back on the top of the mountain.

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Based on what?

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Some people think it's just so easy, ‘why didn't the coach do this or that’, ‘I would have done it this way or that way’, ‘why did he call that play or this one’ when in reality they haven't a clue!

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Sure, I am in another line of work, but I do know the difference between blind luck and the results for a competent individual/organization...starting with coming to a school with a table set as he did.

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Les Miles is one of the most respected coaches in the country, outside of the delusional element within our own fan base.

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You can not quantify this statement any more than anyone can the opposite, but he does get more than his share of ridicule from the national press when he stumbles and bumbles through the most simple requests for info about the team.

I wont give him the benefit of the doubt, he's lost the confidence of Tiger Nation, I believe he should have the opportunity to earn it back next year....If he does, great....If he doesnt, he should be forced to move on...till then, he should be on the Hot Seat...Most at somepoint need a good square kick in the arse...Miles is no exception...He doesnt seem to have that continual drive to be better and make things around him better...He just seems content...Something that truely is unacceptable at a states flagship school...

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Dallasgrowl

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amen brother...