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re: For those who keep repeating that Micah Gibbs "works for free," you're wrong
Posted on 4/2/17 at 5:16 pm to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 4/2/17 at 5:16 pm to heartbreakTiger
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It was a lazy hire, the timing gave paul an excuse to do it. This is not the first time paul has gotten lazy.
Saddly PM didn't see it that way. He either thought he made the best possible or the best hire in the time he had. It kind of epitomized the level of incompetence held by PM either way.
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Posted on 4/2/17 at 7:01 pm to LSURussian
That's always been the case for our volunteer coaches.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:24 pm to LSURussian
I finally agree with you, kinda. The right guy would have had to be A coach who would not try to revamp everyone's swing. That would have been good. We need someone who can help them all make adjustments inside the game. There is a lot more to it then just going up to the plate and swinging if you like it. It is a hard game and some of the young kids have never struggled in their career.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:30 pm to lsu711
Yep ! That is why they leave every year! But what is crazy he allowed Stevenson to hit .150 as a freshman and hardly took him out. That might be his best coaching job. He had a great career at LSU and will be in the big leagues.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:30 pm to LSURussian
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I was also told by several people that the team's experienced returning players lobbied for Gibbs to be named the hitting coach. That may have influenced Mainieri's decision.
Interesting. I wasn't told that at all.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:31 pm to LSURussian
It's a great hire. I mean what could go wrong with hiring a kid that hit .218 in low level minor league ball as your hitting coach?
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:35 pm to baseball blood
quote:In that case I must be wrong....
I finally agree with you
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:00 pm to baseball blood
quote:Stevenson batted .193 his freshman year and was used mostly as a late game defensive replacement in center field. He started in less than half the games that season, 33 out of 68 to be exact. And Andrew didn't play at all in 14 games.
That is why they leave every year! But what is crazy he allowed Stevenson to hit .150 as a freshman and hardly took him out.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 10:34 pm to LSURussian
Paul told the Advocate it was always the plan to have Gibbs succeed Cannizaro. The only question was when Andy would leave to give it to Cain and Gibbs (splitting recruiting and hitting into two positions). Now that Paul is getting heat, we're getting all these new stories and theories. I believe Paul's contemporaneous statements on the matter. It was a lazy hire and no search was undertaken in the two weeks the position was open as required by law.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:54 pm to therick711
quote:Where is he getting heat from? The Rant doesn't count.
Now that Paul is getting heat,
quote:What new stories and theories? Do you mean the Advocate writer calling it a "battlefield promotion" for Gibbs?
we're getting all these new stories and theories.
quote:That may have been the long range plan but I seriously doubt he meant it was planned for so soon after Gibbs joined the staff as coordinator of baseball operations (after one year).
Paul told the Advocate it was always the plan to have Gibbs succeed Cannizaro. T
Posted on 4/3/17 at 6:25 am to LSURussian
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Where is he getting heat from? The Rant doesn't count
Obviously you don't own a radio or read the paper. Did you miss LSU pulling people off the radio on Friday? The radio folks indicate it was because of their criticism of the baseball program.
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That may have been the long range plan but I seriously doubt he meant it was planned for so soon after Gibbs joined the staff as coordinator of baseball operations (after one year).
He said it was always the plan. Then he executed said plan when no one merited such a promotion by resume. Seems pretty simple to understand. Now you're telling me that always the plan means not always the plan. Sure. Here's the repoortage:
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It took some foresight, and it happened sooner than Mainieri imagined, but he now has his staff constructed the way he wants it. “I knew right from the start when I hired Andy, he was very frank about it, that he had a strong desire to become a head coach,” Mainieri said. “I thought it would be probably the next summer, maybe two (summers). Of course, the thing happened in November and kind of accelerated the process.
“But the plan was always to split the job; promote Nolan into the recruiting coordinator’s job and Micah into the hitting coach job.”
Battlefield promotion my arse. Just more of Mainieri shifting blame to anyone other than himself.
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:17 am to Stud Bud
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But since this isn't the first time PM made a move similar to this (promoting from within with former players with little to none college coaching experience instead of going out and trying to hire the very best candidates) I feel this situation has a complacent feel to it.
This. LSU is a dream destination for most coaches. There is a pool of talented coaches who have shown their metal who would love to come to LSU either as a stepping stone to a head coaching job or to be here long term. I love promoting from within, but would rather see a Blake Dean type of alum that went out and proved their coaching metal prior to coming on staff.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:22 am to therick711
I think you guys need to look at the big picture and not focus on Gibbs.
Cannizaro was a paid assistant coach and while I don't know what he was paid, I'd guess he was paid well. Nolan Cain a volunteer coach was promoted to take his place. Cain had previously been the baseball ops guy a couple of seasons earlier. He took Will Davis' place who had been with PM since 2008 first and then Cannizaros. Cain had been a pitcher in college and not an every day played.
Micah Gibbs took Cain's place which makes sense. What didn't make sense is the Cain promotion. Cain couldn't coach hitters, and he had never recruited.
In two seasons we lost Will Davis and Cannizaro and in their place are two virtual rookie coaches. Hopefully they will grow into their jobs fast.
Cannizaro was a paid assistant coach and while I don't know what he was paid, I'd guess he was paid well. Nolan Cain a volunteer coach was promoted to take his place. Cain had previously been the baseball ops guy a couple of seasons earlier. He took Will Davis' place who had been with PM since 2008 first and then Cannizaros. Cain had been a pitcher in college and not an every day played.
Micah Gibbs took Cain's place which makes sense. What didn't make sense is the Cain promotion. Cain couldn't coach hitters, and he had never recruited.
In two seasons we lost Will Davis and Cannizaro and in their place are two virtual rookie coaches. Hopefully they will grow into their jobs fast.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:12 am to doubleb
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I think you guys need to look at the big picture and not focus on Gibbs.
Cannizaro was a paid assistant coach and while I don't know what he was paid, I'd guess he was paid well. Nolan Cain a volunteer coach was promoted to take his place. Cain had previously been the baseball ops guy a couple of seasons earlier. He took Will Davis' place who had been with PM since 2008 first and then Cannizaros. Cain had been a pitcher in college and not an every day played.
Micah Gibbs took Cain's place which makes sense. What didn't make sense is the Cain promotion. Cain couldn't coach hitters, and he had never recruited.
In two seasons we lost Will Davis and Cannizaro and in their place are two virtual rookie coaches. Hopefully they will grow into their jobs fast.
This is a good point. This was a post I made last Friday:
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The Gibbs hire, in a vacuum, isn't the problem. It was the machinations that led to the Gibbs hire that's screwed everything up. Moving Cain to a full-time paid position is the decision that screwed up the staff. His skillset overlaps with Dunn's, and to be honest, he doesn't really have the resume that should land him on this staff. Now, in order to keep Cain, we have to go without a hitting coach, because no hitting coach worth his salt is going to come and be a volunteer assistant. So now, either Cain will have to be demoted meaning demoting Gibbs or firing him, or Cain will have to be fired and Gibbs retained in Cain's old spot to accommodate an actual hitting coach.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:41 am to therick711
Mainieri said in the same article you mentioned about the plan to use Gibbs to replace Cannizaro eventually, that he has wanted to separate the hitting coach and the recruiting coordinator for a while. He wants recruiting to be the recruiting coordinator's "sole focus" so your idea that Cain and Dunn have overlapping skills is irrelevant.
He said the recruiting coordinator needs to be recruiting during March which is when the recruiting "quiet period" ends. If the recruiting coordinator is also the hitting coach, it means the hitting coach will not be in the dugout for quite a few games in March and he will frequently miss practices as well. Mainieri doesn't want the hitting coach missing games and practices.
I'm sure you've noticed since you've attended all the home games this season like I have that Cain was not at any of the midweek home games in March and he missed a couple of Saturday games as well. He was out recruiting and scouting.
Whether Gibbs and Cain are the right guys for their jobs remains to be seen, and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have some concerns. But Mainieri's logic to separate the recruiting coordinator from the hitting coach makes sense to me.
He said the recruiting coordinator needs to be recruiting during March which is when the recruiting "quiet period" ends. If the recruiting coordinator is also the hitting coach, it means the hitting coach will not be in the dugout for quite a few games in March and he will frequently miss practices as well. Mainieri doesn't want the hitting coach missing games and practices.
I'm sure you've noticed since you've attended all the home games this season like I have that Cain was not at any of the midweek home games in March and he missed a couple of Saturday games as well. He was out recruiting and scouting.
Whether Gibbs and Cain are the right guys for their jobs remains to be seen, and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have some concerns. But Mainieri's logic to separate the recruiting coordinator from the hitting coach makes sense to me.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:44 am to LSURussian
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Whether Gibbs and Cain are the right guys for their jobs remains to be seen, and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have some concerns. But Mainieri's logic to separate the recruiting coordinator from the hitting coach makes sense to me.
We know. Your ability to think critically about or to evaluate the baseball team is deeply in question. Since I'm not married to my buddies in the program and don't have a pathological need to defend the indefensible, I can be objective about it. Splitting the positions is fine. Delegating the offense to a guy that has absolutely no qualifications for such responsibilities is stupid. Having a recruiting only paid position and giving it to a guy who has never done that job is the type of recklessness that can get a guy fired. In this case, probably Cain.
If Paul wants to try and pay a recruiter and give the offense to whomever will work as a volunteer assistant, fine. My understanding is no one else in the country is able to make it work like that. Maybe he'll be an innovator. He'll probably just need to get someone who can do the job to take the volunteer spot. That's going to be pretty difficult. That's why we have Gibbs now.
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:52 am to therick711
Here's a question or two that may give some interesting answers:
Does anyone think that PM sees himself as the "hitting coach" or that it's not a position of value to him, at least maybe not compared to recruiting?
Does anyone feel that our offensive approach is PM's almost solely? And could that be a source of "rumored" friction between him and AC?
Does anyone think that PM sees himself as the "hitting coach" or that it's not a position of value to him, at least maybe not compared to recruiting?
Does anyone feel that our offensive approach is PM's almost solely? And could that be a source of "rumored" friction between him and AC?
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:57 am to ell_13
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Does anyone think that PM sees himself as the "hitting coach" or that it's not a position of value to him, at least maybe not compared to recruiting?
It's certainly possible. Mainieri has said that hitting coaches are "overrated." His core belief appears to be that hitters are responsible for the hitting and coaching can only do so much. I'm not certain to what extent that colors his valuation of a hitting coach, but my suspicion would be that such a philosophy wouldn't lead one to believe he values a hitting coach very highly.
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Does anyone feel that our offensive approach is PM's almost solely? And could that be a source of "rumored" friction between him and AC?
I think the offensive approach has always been informed by Mainieri, as it should be. The head coach needs to put his identity on the team. Mainieri has admitted that in the past he has overreacted to rule changes. I think his balance right now is pretty good. I'm not sure if this was a source of friction. Cannizaro leaving when he did is just a function of him getting a great job as far as I'm concerned.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:57 am to ell_13
Mainieri has stated before that Hitting Coaches are overrated. He should put those words on a Hot Sausage Po-Boy & eat them
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:04 am to therick711
quote:Any assistant at any program would leave for that job.
I'm not sure if this was a source of friction. Cannizaro leaving when he did is just a function of him getting a great job as far as I'm concerned.
The rumors I'm referring to started last year. He was a player favorite. He felt handcuffed. A few players remained in town for him. He wanted the Tulane job badly. He interviewed for MSU in early Oct without PM's knowledge (10/6 is when I first heard about it).
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