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re: For me this MSU game will be a measure of CEO
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There are some who have specifically stated they hate Orgeron, and it does apply to them.
they didn't like the hire, will never accept him as HC. I don't think that describes most of you though.
Well, Les Miles had similar fans that never accepted him. That's just the way it is. It's not some new thing that only O's experienced.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:38 am to BigSlick
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how was the Florid game a screw-up? They got beat by a better team that day.
The Florida loss really hurt. But I agree with you. Florida was the better team that day.
But what if LSU isn't as good as everyone thinks just because they beat Georgia last Saturday? Perhaps we were just the better team that day.
Being 6-1 so far into the season is fantastic. Everyone should be pleased with where we are right now. But for the past week or more, there have been numerous threads and posts from people damn near demanding that we give o our unconditional love and respect.
But the fact of the matter is, so far, we've defeated one team that's ranked at this time. Miami shouldn't have been ranked as high as they were when we played them, and Auburn has really shite the bed so far this season.
We've played one good game for the duration of that game. That was last's week game. All the other games our offense disappeared for quarters at a time, some games our defense did the same. We really haven't played great football for most of the year. Until last week.
The people who have been critical have been called every name in the book, and up until the Georgia game, I think they've had reasons to be critical. Hopefully, the coaching staff and the team have turned the corner and will continue to play with the fire they did last week.
Nobody believes o should win every game, at least they shouldn't. But like others have said, until o wins some championships, he won't get the credit that all of you guys feel he deserves.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:42 am to BigSlick
He may have to just to win the West. That’s the reality of it. Sorry if it upsets you.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:52 am to earl keese
I think that's a rationale and reasonable post.
I'm ecstatic with where we are now. I think all of the threads about lack of respect are ridiculous. I honestly am still not sure how good this team is and it has nothing to do with my feelings about the HC.
I'm ecstatic with where we are now. I think all of the threads about lack of respect are ridiculous. I honestly am still not sure how good this team is and it has nothing to do with my feelings about the HC.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:57 am to Goldrush25
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Les Miles had similar fans that never accepted him.
True. Some of those are the anti O people.
I think they just like to complain.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:59 am to earl keese
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Nobody believes o should win every game, at least they shouldn't. But like others have said, until o wins some championships, he won't get the credit that all of you guys feel he deserves.
I agree with this. Why should we not expect this? IF this is not a reasonable goal then why fire CLM? I have no 'feelings' for CEO one way or the other. Do not know him. But the circumstances of his hiring have not changed. LSU really should have beaten UF. He should have gone for it on 4th down. It appears he did learn something from that which is great. That said, until he wins the SEC, it is a fail.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:00 pm to SportTiger1
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The fact that you truly believe this proves that you've never listened to a word the 'negatigers' have been saying for the past 2 years
Why would anyone put any stock in what those clowns say?
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:05 pm to Beached Tiger
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you have just declared most of the head coaches in the SEC as failures.
I do not care about what other coaches do. Just LSU's coach who happens to be CEO. Yes, my posts indicate that hiring him was a mistake. No one who is objective about coaching in this league could argue with that at the time. If he does not get LSU an SEC championship then what is he here for? Just to coach some winning seasons? If that is your view, so be it, but you should be circumspect before you criticize some of us who expect a bit more.
His record as a coach is what it is. He looks to be changing that and no fan could be happier about that than I. CLM was fired because he was taking the program into irrelevance. If CEO does the same, what good is he to LSU? Again, sorry if your feeling are hurt, but maybe you should try taking your feelings out of the equation.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:07 pm to BigSlick
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When did Saban start winning every game? Or Bryant or whoever else you care to name? Is it just maybe possible that some of their rare losses are because the other teams want it more?
Wait are you arguing against my statement? I didn't even use names.
I said this:
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The great coaches get their teams up for every game, no matter the opponent that week or prior or future weeks.
Hell of an insecurity you must have to assume I'm talking about anyone and then argue against a pretty standard statement about coaching.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:09 pm to dukke v
Negative? Some say so, but what do I care? This is a sports message board. Why do people let their feelings color everything? I have given Mr. O credit which he deserves, but this is about goals. Peej, maybe I should not say anything at all at this point. I accept that criticism, but outside of hurt feelings, where's the harm?
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:11 pm to Geauxboy
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And where will you stand after we beat MSU then bama pushes our shite in?
You are just like the media. O has done a great job but some people just can't give the man credit. I remember reading all the doomsday predictions. Yet, somehow, the man is 6-1 with more wins over ranked opponents than anyone this year. And he STILL has more to do to impress some of you?
This 1000%
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:12 pm to Geauxboy
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And where will you stand after we beat MSU then bama pushes our shite in?
You are just like the media. O has done a great job but some people just can't give the man credit. I remember reading all the doomsday predictions. Yet, somehow, the man is 6-1 with more wins over ranked opponents than anyone this year. And he STILL has more to do to impress some of you?
This 1000%
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:17 pm to pwejr88
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So no measure or credit for last week? He is constantly have to prove himself.
You people...
LSU is an elite program. That means Orgeron is the head coach of an elite program.
Yes. He constantly has to prove himself.
Until he shows he can guide a team to elite / SEC / playoff championship caliber of play, he gets very little slack.
Heavy hangs the head, my man. You want to coach at the biggest schools against the biggest of the big boys? You have to prove that you're worth it.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:19 pm to SportTiger1
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exactly my position. if we come out and dominate Miss St i would be pleasantly surprised.
This should never be a letdown game after last season. The coaches should be reminding the team about 37-7 and how State took their manhood every hour or so.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:20 pm to Cadello
quote:The real test is making that win mean something.
I thought the real test was pummeling the #2 team in the country.
Beating Top 5 teams should not be an upset, but instead an affirmation that LSU is one of the best programs in the country.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:22 pm to BigSlick
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The next game will always be the "real test" until he gets fired or dies.
This. Especially with our fanbase. Thank God for Tennessee and Auburn, otherwise we'd be the worst.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:28 pm to LSUStar
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That said, until he wins the SEC, it is a fail.
You would have a better argument if you wouldn't put it that way. One can't "be a fail" before they even take the test.
Other than that I basically agree that since the previous coach was fired based on performance Orgeron needs to show his performance is better to validate his hiring. He hasn’t done that ...yet. He could do that by winning the SEC but that’s not the only way. He can also do it by doing any of the things Miles was trending away from. BTW 10 wins in a season isn’t one of those things. Neither is beating Georgia. But beating Bama...that would definitively be something. Or at least showing that he’s moving closer to beating them. That’s as fair and reasonable as I know how to be.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:33 pm to RuLSU
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LSU is an elite program. That means Orgeron is the head coach of an elite program.
Yes. He constantly has to prove himself.
Until he shows he can guide a team to elite / SEC / playoff championship caliber of play, he gets very little slack.
Heavy hangs the head, my man. You want to coach at the biggest schools against the biggest of the big boys? You have to prove that you're worth it.
Yeah I thought these pleas to give validation to O would ease up a little but it's only increasing. I spent the past week giving him nothing but validation but there's no appeasing some of these crybabies.
How about people just let his results speak for themselves? The pleas for acceptance are embarrassing.
And yes he has to keep proving himself, like Miles had to and Saban before him.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:06 pm to Goldrush25
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And yes he has to keep proving himself, like Miles had to and Saban before him.
Yes.
Les Miles won a NC but still got the boot. LSU moved on from Miles as it sought to get better results.
Orgeron has to have better results.
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