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re: Fixating on Brian Kelly being the problem
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:18 am to Solo Cam
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:18 am to Solo Cam
quote:I think it does affect special teams. Deeper teams have more quality guys on special teams. We have more scrubs, which affects blocking and tackling.
Amount of players has nothing to do with not playing Harold Pekins. It has nothing to do with how atrocious we are in special teams.
quote:He's a true freshman, maybe he wasn't comfortable with the scheme vs Tennessee?
No one minds losing that game but getting 40 dropped on you and not playing your best defensive player?
quote:step back and look at this- Tennessee, as you said, dropped 40 on us.
Your telling me you felt good about the 4th and 10 at midfield?
Maybe Kelly understood that was likely to happen, and our only chance was to score TDs, and lots of them. He left a couple FG attempts on the sidelines, and a few deep punts. Maybe Kelly wasn't playing to lose 37-24, he was playing to win 41-37. To get to that, you have to score TDs on a lot of drives.
I hated the sack on 4th down, but I don't mind him going for it. We were down 20-7, it was under 30 seconds on the clock, and we were on Tennessee's 45. 2 plays earlier, we missed a possible TD to Jenkins by inches... it may have been tipped, but Jenkins got both hands on it in stride. We score a TD on that drive, and it's similar to the Auburn game- we play terrible most of the half, but game's in reach at the break.
It didn't work.
quote:I don't think Heupel cares that much about his defense, to be honest. And I do seem to remember them going for it against Ole Miss last year, in a similar type of game... they did better than we did, and the score was closer. But they lost and the stadium threw mustard bottles and golf balls.
Quickly someone tell Heupel to bench his best defensive player and start going for retarded fourth downs
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Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:28 am to Ironhead985
You just answered your own question, Nuss isn’t coming in. It’s a lazy narrative to say the quarterback was the reason we lost. From kick, we were doomed. Defense got torched the entire game and we couldn’t run to save our lives with the make shift OL we put out there. Last week, JD played his worst game. Today, he didn’t play terrible. We just got beat by a top 10 team
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:28 am to tigerbait2010
If the guys in the locker room hated JD, why grab him out the portal? I'm sure the WR's in our locker room hate him too. LOL
For real tho, JD is a major issue for our offense. He throws high, causing receivers to leave their feet thus creating no YAC. He throws behind them whenever they run crossing routes. Also, he RARELY keeps the ball inbounds when throwing down the sideline. He said he knows he can make all the throws, he just needs to be more aggressive. However, I really don't think he CAN make those throws. Milroy has played in every game for Bama this year, no matter how limited the playing time. Nuss should've played in every game for us as well. JD is not setting the world on fire from the QB position. 7 TD's in 6 games is bad. I think everyone knows we have more losses coming, let's play Nuss more. JD can start and garner the majority of snaps but let's consistently see 2 or 3 series of Nuss per game.
For real tho, JD is a major issue for our offense. He throws high, causing receivers to leave their feet thus creating no YAC. He throws behind them whenever they run crossing routes. Also, he RARELY keeps the ball inbounds when throwing down the sideline. He said he knows he can make all the throws, he just needs to be more aggressive. However, I really don't think he CAN make those throws. Milroy has played in every game for Bama this year, no matter how limited the playing time. Nuss should've played in every game for us as well. JD is not setting the world on fire from the QB position. 7 TD's in 6 games is bad. I think everyone knows we have more losses coming, let's play Nuss more. JD can start and garner the majority of snaps but let's consistently see 2 or 3 series of Nuss per game.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:33 am to tigerfan88
It's what happens when u hire dinosaur oc
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:49 am to Scoob
quote:bullshite. Harold Perkins is running around on special teams, you got guys like Sage Ryan, Matthew Langlois and Any of the linebackers not named Baskerville.
I think it does affect special teams. Deeper teams have more quality guys on special teams. We have more scrubs, which affects blocking and tackling.
Lousy excuse
quote:Yeah, spying Hooker like Penn did all game would have confused the frick our of Perkins.
He's a true freshman, maybe he wasn't comfortable with the scheme vs Tennessee?
I wish it was a simple scheme like the one mike leach runs. Perkins handled that scheme fine.
Hey good call though, dc was for sure right on this one. Ignore the 40 we gave up.
The rest of your stuff is a novel but it's a whole lot of coach defending after getting drummed 40-13
I saw the game live and have watched every single snap this year, you can't justify that shite to me. I know bad decisions and poor ply when I see it, you can suck off the coaches. I'm gonna call it like I see it
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:51 am to tigerbait2010
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I love when our fans compare Brian Kelly to les miles. Remember when les miles inherited a Maserati while Kelly inherited a 93 Kia sedan?
The irony is that this is the same results-oriented thinking that people defended miles on for 10+ years.
Nobody thought this was a team in contention for the West or a playoff spot or anything.
However, the team has shown some major issues from a coaching/scheme perspective, which are worrisome and have nothing to do with the talent. Part of those issues is a similar offensive philosophy to Miles, which Kelly displayed at ND almost his entire career there, and is a major issue moving forward.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 6:58 am to tigerbait2010
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A quarterback who was run out of Arizona state because he was a locker room poison?
Then why the hell did Brian “program builder” Kelly bring in a locker room cancer? The whole point of his hire was to clean up the mess, not bring more problems into the fold.
Roll with Brennan or Nuss, there was zero reason to bring in JD, he’s not good.
This post was edited on 10/9/22 at 7:01 am
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:35 am to tigerbait2010
Good to see this post with way more upvotes than down. So many are ridiculous with expectations. Im happy with much of what I have seen. Culture change. In game coaching from the top. Impressive half time adjustments. Recruiting. And so on. Those were the things I needed to see to feel good about this season.
Chicken littles need to step back from the ledge and realize WHY we signed Kelly to a 10 year deal. Rome wasn’t built in a day. The ascent can be just as fun as the top of the mountain.
Chicken littles need to step back from the ledge and realize WHY we signed Kelly to a 10 year deal. Rome wasn’t built in a day. The ascent can be just as fun as the top of the mountain.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:40 am to tigerbait2010
It's O's fault.
We also have a crap fanbase. This wasn't a road game for the Vols
We also have a crap fanbase. This wasn't a road game for the Vols
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:51 am to AlGoldenDomer
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How'd he fare against Saban?
Name all the coaches that have beaten Saban in the CFP? Or beaten him AT ALL? Then look at those coaches all time record versus Saban. Way more often than not he has beaten EVERYONE like they stole something from him.
So………..thats a dumbass argument there Chief!
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:55 am to BawtHouse
Dude for the last time it’s not the losses. It’s how we look on offense and what Kelly’s general organizational strategy is. It’s a very conservative don’t lose the game on offense mindset, just like Les.
Some of you are blinded because it’s out of the shotgun and not under center. It’s not the same scheme, but it’s the same philosophy. And it’s concerning bc we’ve seen with Les how reticent stubborn coaches can be to changing that.
Kelly also had this same philosophy at Notre dame. But they were able to just wear down service academies and mid tier ACC and big ten teams to 23-17 type victories. It’s clear he thinks he can do the same thing here.
Which he can’t. If he does not change his fundamental attitude towards offense his ceiling here is jimbo at AM.
Some of you are blinded because it’s out of the shotgun and not under center. It’s not the same scheme, but it’s the same philosophy. And it’s concerning bc we’ve seen with Les how reticent stubborn coaches can be to changing that.
Kelly also had this same philosophy at Notre dame. But they were able to just wear down service academies and mid tier ACC and big ten teams to 23-17 type victories. It’s clear he thinks he can do the same thing here.
Which he can’t. If he does not change his fundamental attitude towards offense his ceiling here is jimbo at AM.
This post was edited on 10/9/22 at 7:57 am
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:57 am to tigerbait2010
Well Polian has now cost us two games and Denbrock managed to do something even cam Cameron couldn’t achieve by having 5 passing yards in a half.
Kelly is here for the long haul and I believe he will fix the issues with the program. However the bbq buddies will need to go.
Kelly is here for the long haul and I believe he will fix the issues with the program. However the bbq buddies will need to go.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:59 am to Big4SALTbro
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Kelly is here for the long haul and I believe he will fix the issues with the program.
What about his time at ND makes you think he can make adjustments?
quote:
However the bbq buddies will need to go.
Like this one?
And Polian isn't going anywhere. Too valuable for recruiting. We may change his "coaching area" but he's going to be on the staff.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:02 am to tigerbait2010
Last years produce is better than this.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:03 am to tigerbait2010
Comparing us to anything other a rebuilding program is ludicrous. Look at Tennessee’s record over the past 5 years. Look at anyone in the SEC with the exception of Alabama and Georgia. There will be ups and downs. What we can work towards this year is buying into his system and limiting the mental mistakes. Talent is only great when it’s coached right.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:05 am to Tony Camaro
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Talent is only great when it’s coached right.
And what coaching have you seen this year that makes you feel comfortable about the future?
House seems OK with some schematic issues that hopefully he makes adjustments on.
Kelly/Denbrock look bad.
Polian looks horrible.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
I like some of the program building things he has done. Unfortunately O was literally running a day care at practice. I think Kelly can put in a process and get us back to the 8-4 and 9-3 floor.
However his issue will be getting us back to championship caliber. He appears to be a yankee version of jimbo. He can build a base and eventually he can’t win the big one because his offense is outdated and sucks ricks.
Polian can stay but we need a place to hide him from real coaching. It’s odd the ND special teams ranked so high but I seem to remember their special teams always being torched in big games. Seems they may have feasted on service academies and slow Midwest teams.
It honestly shouldn’t surprise us that Kelly is basically Jimbo minus a Winston NC. Scott couldn’t get Jimbo so he found his clone.
Scott wanted the high floor we will eventually get to but at the cost of championship ceiling.
Frankly we should have went for a Lane or Dave Aranda.
However his issue will be getting us back to championship caliber. He appears to be a yankee version of jimbo. He can build a base and eventually he can’t win the big one because his offense is outdated and sucks ricks.
Polian can stay but we need a place to hide him from real coaching. It’s odd the ND special teams ranked so high but I seem to remember their special teams always being torched in big games. Seems they may have feasted on service academies and slow Midwest teams.
It honestly shouldn’t surprise us that Kelly is basically Jimbo minus a Winston NC. Scott couldn’t get Jimbo so he found his clone.
Scott wanted the high floor we will eventually get to but at the cost of championship ceiling.
Frankly we should have went for a Lane or Dave Aranda.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:08 am to Big4SALTbro
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However his issue will be getting us back to championship caliber. He appears to be a yankee version of jimbo. He can build a base and eventually he can’t win the big one because his offense is outdated and sucks ricks.
Yes exactly. Does anyone think this offense can win a national title?
Yeah if we're UGA in 2021 and have a GOAT-level defense, insane WRs, and the best group of TEs possibly in NCAA history, we can squeeze out a title if our opponent in the title game loses it's offensive star. Otherwise, show me the vanilla/bullshite offenses that have won titles the past 20 years.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:09 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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False narrative. We were 5th in talent composite in 2021.
Those things, especially in our case, are so fricking dumb.
Talent measured equally could be busts, transfers that busted somewhere else, depth at one position but none at others, freshman and seniors the same, etc.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 8:10 am to Ironhead985
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The worst decision(and there were a couple) Kelly made today in my opinion is not putting one of the other quarterbacks in the game in a friendly environment when it was obvious that there would be no comeback
Yeah, putting a young, inexperienced QB behind that dogshit offensive line yesterday would have been brilliant. Lol
LSU couldn’t run the ball and you want to put a young QB in behind that line, with TN’s D-line teed up for the pass every down. Great idea. Lol
This post was edited on 10/9/22 at 8:10 am
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