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re: Finebaum: LSU's Success for Years to Come Due to Saban
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:41 pm to Carlos
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:41 pm to Carlos
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without Saban's tenure here, we are most likely still an irrelevant program.
Ever heard of the fallacy of the broken window?
There is a lot more to a football program than 1 coach.. We had shitty facilities and ran a discount program. We didn't attract good coaches because we or I should say Joe Dean was not willing to pay for coaches. At one point we were paying DiNardo a little more than programs like Fla St and Texas were paying their OC and DC. You get what you pay for.
Emmert started to change that. Remember, we were already building the East upper deck, that opened Saban's first year. Emmert knew they weren't going to fill that and the club seats with 4-7 seasons, he knew we needed a top coach. Saban, to his credit, recognized the potential and recommend other improvements. Knowing what we know about him, do you really think Nick Saban would have taken the job if he didn't think the University was willing to commit the necessary resources to the football program ? I don't think there is any way he would have taken the job.
Coaches weren't unwilling to come to LSU because it was irrelevant. A good coach was not going to come here for a mid level salary, limited budget for assistants and shitty facilities.
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 11:47 pm
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Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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in 1999, when Saban took the job, it was largely because no one else wanted it.
This is not true, we could have had Mack Brown when we hired DiNardo, but we could not pay him more than he was making at UNC. Would you leave a good situation, with minimal pressure for a pay cut? Me either.
Had we not hired Saban, the 2 most likely hires were Mark Richt and Rich Rodriguez. Both built programs that are NC contenders, no reason to think they would not have done the same at LSU., given the in state talent and resources that the University started to put into the football program.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 11:53 pm to Carlos
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No other major coach was interested
Define major coach? I don't think you could call Saban a major coach in 99. He had 1 9-2 season at MSU, other that that it was basically .500 and 5th, 6th place in the Big 10/11. Most LSU fans were pissed off at the hire.
If not him it probably would have been Richt or Rodriguez, both highly rated coordinators at the time that have done outstanding jobs as HC's.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:29 am to H-Town Tiger
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Most LSU fans were pissed off at the hire.
This is completely false, and if any fans were pissed they were stupid and completely off base because they had no reason to be. I'm not sure why they would be, because at the time we did not expect to be able to lure any coach in the country, and Saban's resume was far better than any of the three coaches who preceded him. Most fans were surprised at the hire and had not really followed Saban's career. But once it came out how well his Michigan State team did that year, and they beat Florida after he left, most people were generally optimistic about the hire.
Regarding Richt and Rodriguez, while they've had success as head coaches in hindsight, it doesn't change the fact that we were looking for established, successful head coaches, and they were generally not willing to take the LSU job in 1999 because of its reputation for mediocrity. And yes, we had a reputation for not paying our coaches as well.
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Had we not hired Saban, the 2 most likely hires were Mark Richt and Rich Rodriguez. Both built programs that are NC contenders, no reason to think they would not have done the same at LSU., given the in state talent and resources that the University started to put into the football program.
Neither had to turn around horrible teams with terrible attitudes, and neither have accomplished what Saban has. Especially Richt, who has virtually the same resources and access to high school talent as he would at LSU.
This post was edited on 5/14/09 at 12:33 am
Posted on 5/14/09 at 1:29 am to Carlos
Either way we are where we are bc of Saban and Miles.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 7:07 am to groundcrew
quote:I think it's hilarious when this is brought up and Bama fans don't ever respond. It must've really hurt. On another board I visit, during the season there were two Bama fans that constantly argued why the Tide should be ranked as high as they were at the time, then after the Florida game they disappeared totally.
Too bad for you you got arse raped by Utah
Posted on 5/14/09 at 7:19 am to MasonTiger
I heard this yesterday and while talking about Spurrier changing the culture at Folrida he said Nick had kind of done the same thing at LSU. And he talked about what a monster program LSU would be now if Spurrier had waited on the LSU job (Saban to Miami was just a rumor when he toook the SC job)
Posted on 5/14/09 at 7:46 am to AlaTiger
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Finebaum: LSU's Success for Years to Come Due to Saban
So LSU just recruits itself now because The Almighty Himself, Saban, touched the program? Please.
Anyone who says LSU's future success is due to Saban is a total idiot and loses any sort of credibility. Yes Saban helped make LSU a contender we know that. But maintaining it at that level is what Miles is doing. Saban does deserve credit for building, not for maintaining.
It's idiots like Finebaum (and the Bama fanbase in general) that credit the 07 championship to Saban.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 8:45 am to AlaTiger
quote:This topic is so 2006.
Finebaum: LSU's Success for Years to Come Due to Saban
Posted on 5/14/09 at 9:08 am to Carlos
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We were pretty much at a dead end when Emmert pulled off the Saban hire, and it was considered to be completely out of left field.
No we were not and no it was not. Sabans agent contacted LSU. Other coahes were interviewed and wanted more money than LSU was willing to give up. Saban was amenable to the money and the other interviews that were going to be scheduled were shut down and Saban got the hire.
But, don't take my word for it. Ask Skip, or General Richard, or Mark Emmeret. They will tell you the same story sonnyboy.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 9:13 am to rtgr
LSU is still a middling program if Nick Saban never goes there.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 11:03 am to LuckyLee
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Sabear is God, Finebaum is Jesus, and Julio jones is the Holy Spirit. God hates LSU.
ANNNND
Satan is UL Monroe..
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:10 pm to tgerb8
All years are important to LSU fans.
This coming year seems to be VERRY important for LSU, LM and dispelling all doubt about who is the team of the decade and that LSU IS THE true Super Power in CFB.
Recruiting kind of got a mulligan this year b/c of the recent great years under the LSU belt. But, that won't happen again if LSU loses 3 games or more.
LSU needs to put it together for more than just this season's sake. The prestige for winning it all this year will be bigger than any other past year, IMO.
I think LSU will be exciting on both sides of the ball.... and will win.
10/10/09 will be WWIII
AND.. beating Bama will be close to being that big.
This coming year seems to be VERRY important for LSU, LM and dispelling all doubt about who is the team of the decade and that LSU IS THE true Super Power in CFB.
Recruiting kind of got a mulligan this year b/c of the recent great years under the LSU belt. But, that won't happen again if LSU loses 3 games or more.
LSU needs to put it together for more than just this season's sake. The prestige for winning it all this year will be bigger than any other past year, IMO.
I think LSU will be exciting on both sides of the ball.... and will win.
10/10/09 will be WWIII
AND.. beating Bama will be close to being that big.
This post was edited on 5/14/09 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/14/09 at 12:13 pm to LuckyLee
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LSU is still a middling program if Nick Saban never goes there.
Can you prove this? Other candidates LSU was considering at the time included Rich Rodriguez and Mark Richt, among others. Don't you think those guys could have been successful here too?
Posted on 5/14/09 at 3:28 pm to LuckyLee
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LSU is still a middling program if Nick Saban never goes there.
Bammers must believe this, otherwise how can they justify what they are paying Saban.
You know nothing about the LSU football program or for that matter what all it takes for a program to succeed.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 3:47 pm to Carlos
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Neither had to turn around horrible teams with terrible attitudes
Gerry fricking Dinardo took over a team that had had 6 strait losing seasons, and won 7 games and a bowl his first year (remember who coached the team he beat?), his second year he won 10 and tied for the SEC W title and won another bowl game.
If Dinardo can do that are you expecting me to think that RRod or Richt could not have taken over a team with Rohan Davey, Josh Reed, LeBrandon Toefield, D Davis, Bradie James et al and win 8 games?
The program was in worse shape in 94 than it was in 99.
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neither have accomplished what Saban has. Especially Richt,
In 2002 Richt and UGA went 13-1 and won the SEC. In 2003 Nich Saban and LSU went 13-1 and won the SEC. Please explain how Saban's brilliance lead to Boise State beating Hawaii at 200 am the last day of the regular season in 2003, because if Hawaii had won that game, USC would have played in the BCS CG and not LSU. I know everyone likes to put this mystical power on winning championships, but in team sports it takes alot of things that are beyond the control of the HC, especially in CFB.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 3:56 pm to ENYOMOUT
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This coming year seems to be VERY important for LSU, LM and dispelling all doubt about who is the team of the decade and that LSU IS THE true Super Power in CFB.
Recruiting kind of got a mulligan this year b/c of the recent great years under the LSU belt. But, that won't happen again if LSU loses 3 games or more. LSU needs to put it together for more than just this season's sake. The prestige for winning it all this year will be bigger than any other past year, IMO.
I think LSU will be exciting on both sides of the ball.... and will win.
Agree completely.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 3:58 pm to rtgr
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ther coahes were interviewed and wanted more money than LSU was willing to give up
Sonnyboy, who were these coaches and how much were they demanding?
Posted on 5/14/09 at 4:00 pm to LuckyLee
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LSU is still a middling program if Nick Saban never goes there.
I realize that the Bammers have to believe this to justify what they are paying Saban, but just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 4:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Gerry fricking Dinardo took over a team that had had 6 strait losing seasons, and won 7 games and a bowl his first year (remember who coached the team he beat?), his second year he won 10 and tied for the SEC W title and won another bowl game.
If Dinardo can do that are you expecting me to think that RRod or Richt could not have taken over a team with Rohan Davey, Josh Reed, LeBrandon Toefield, D Davis, Bradie James et al and win 8 games?
The program was in worse shape in 94 than it was in 99.
How many times are y'all going to go over this?
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