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FACT: Stars do lie

Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:09 pm
Posted by lsu5803nc
Member since Dec 2006
135 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:09 pm
Tyrann Mathieu 3* recruit

Brad Wing 2* recruit

I think LSU needs to keep finding these diamonds in the rough and shining them up
Posted by Jizzy08
Member since Aug 2008
11228 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:10 pm to
Not too many 4 or 5 star punters.

2 star punter/kicker is pretty good.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:11 pm to
I dont think any punter will ever really warrant 4 or more stars. Its more of the position.. Nobody knew about TM7 though his size just hurt him too much.
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
Laffy
Member since Jan 2007
28643 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:11 pm to
Hester was a 2* recruit.


You can't measure commitment with a stopwatch.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71768 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:11 pm to
wasnt hester committed to texas at one point?
Posted by lsu5803nc
Member since Dec 2006
135 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:12 pm to
I think Brad warrants 5 stars
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13610 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

FACT: Stars do lie


go look at the rest of 2 deep on offense and defense. we are loaded with highly rated guys.

its a fricking punter...
Posted by LSU91MBA
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
1588 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:13 pm to
I think our coach knows a little about talent evaluation...

and given that he passed on a few that everyone thought were great stars... that have not turned out to be such "keepers" I'll trust his jugement.

If a kid comes to camp that fans have not heard of and Les offers him on the spot... book it the kid has "it" and Les recognizes it.
Posted by lsu5803nc
Member since Dec 2006
135 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:13 pm to
Hester was and still is a BEAST
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71768 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

go look at the rest of 2 deep on offense and defense. we are loaded with highly rated guys.


correct

stars do matter and most of the best players in the country were highly rated. people like to use outliers like jacob hester to make some kind of point
Posted by CantonTiger128
Member since Aug 2011
1291 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:15 pm to
there are always exceptions, but you don't want to build a team around hoping for exceptions. There is a reason why LSU and Bama are head and shoulders above everyone else right now....years of top recruiting classes. There is also a reason that the Miss States of the conference just can't challenge for a title.
Posted by lsu5803nc
Member since Dec 2006
135 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:15 pm to
HE'S A WEAPON !!!!!!


quote:

go look at the rest of 2 deep on offense and defense. we are loaded with highly rated guys. its a fricking punter...
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26267 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:16 pm to
Someone post the Claiborne commits to LSU thread pic
Posted by hobotiger
Asbury Park, NJ
Member since Nov 2007
5197 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:16 pm to
Nick Hazard was not highly recruited out of Jesuit, I think his brother John talked him up to the coaches. He did pretty well, no all american like the current guys were but he was solid.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59106 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:17 pm to
The stars don't lie, they are an evaluation of how a player translates to the next level based on a lot of of different factors, that can and do change. Its not and no one has ever claimed it was 100% accurate, its just a guide. Far more 4 and 5 star guys become college stars than 2 star guys.

ETA: the real problem with the star rankings is TM was a 3* until he committed to LSU, then he go bumped up to a 4
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 5:18 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51908 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:19 pm to
Punter's usually only get one star.

Wing only got two because they didn't want to frick with an Aussie.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22348 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:19 pm to
quote:

Tyrann Mathieu 3* recruit


He was a 4* on Rivals

LOL on Brad.
Posted by Jizzy08
Member since Aug 2008
11228 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

ETA: the real problem with the star rankings is TM was a 3* until he committed to LSU, then he go bumped up to a 4


Idk if it's really a problem. Those recruiting services evaluate thousands of guys from all across the nation and it's perfectly understandable for them to overlook guys. He got offered and got bumped up after he came to an LSU camp in which he turned ALOT of heads. Another factor is whether or not your high school coaches are really doing their part as far as talking to college coaches and getting your game film out there. I know a high school coach in particular that played favorites when it came to helping out a player get a good scholarship offer.
Posted by Swat5
Houston
Member since May 2010
2417 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:25 pm to
How many 4 or 5 star recruits do Boise, Wisconsin, TCU, Oregon, Okie St and a few others have? The thing is...there are only so many 5 stars given out...i think its like 25 for Rivals. And also only so many 4 stars. I believe there are ALOT of great 3 star players that with a little coaching can easily become great players...even great NFL players. It's been proven.

Now players who are 2 star and arent kickers...i think its fairly rare for those to become big time players. It may happen...especially when they play for lower division high school teams with almost no video...but it's still fairly rare.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62450 posts
Posted on 10/10/11 at 5:37 pm to
You got to find those guys with "work ethic" and some natural talent. 5 star talent alone doesn't make it at the next level, and there are many examples. Those 2-3 star guys with a "chip" or drive, for whatever reason(maybe just to prove everybody wrong), now those guys can be special.
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