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re: Every dominant defensive year 2003, 2007, 2011 the Tigers had sincere safties
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
He doesn't know how to use the quote function. And doesn't understand we're two deep at every position on the front seven.
It's next year where we'll be hurting.
It's next year where we'll be hurting.
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Posted on 8/9/15 at 3:59 pm to dukke v
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No way they are in the same ballpark as 2003 and 2011.........
I think our Secondary might actually be somewhat on the same level. Our DLine wont be as good as 2011 but I feel like we'll have a better core at LBer. Kevin Minter was a stud but he was slightly undersized as a mike. Beckwith is an absolute beast and we'll have speed and experience on the outside with Lousi and Debo.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:00 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Had Dorsey not gotten hurt
People forget how magnificent Glen Dorsey was before he was chop blocked. That defense may not have been all time great, but Dorsey pre injury absolutely was. They were triple teaming him at one point.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:01 pm to chilge1
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doesn't know how to use the quote function. And doesn't understand we're two deep at every position on the front seven.
Yeah I'm only worried if we have 2-3 injuries to our front 7. I'm wondering how hard Steele and Miles will let them go at practice. I'm not worried if we stay healthy though.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:02 pm to dukke v
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Look at some stats dude.....
Miss St..... 136 Passing..10 Rushing - 146 Total Offense... 0 Points
VT............ 78 Passing....71 Rushing - 149 Total Offense... 7 Points
Mid Tenn.. 81 Passing......9 Rushing - 90 Total Offense.... 0 Points
USCe....... 244 Passing...17 Rushing - 261 Total Offense... 16 Points
Tulane.... 139 Passing... 88 Rushing - 227 Total Offense... 9 Points
Florida... 158 Passing.. 156 Rushing - 314 Total Offense... 24 Points
Kent....... 250 Passing.. 125 Rushing - 375 Total Offense.. 43 Points (7 quarters)
Enter Chaz Ramsey
Auburn... 199 Passing... 97 Rushing - 296 Total Offense.. 24 Points
Bama...... 234 Passing... 20 Rushing - 254 Total Offense.. 34 Points
LA Tech.. 189 Passing... 67 Rushing - 256 Total Offense.. 10 Points
Ole Miss.. 265 Passing.. 201 Rushing - 466 Total Offense.. 24 Points
Arky........ 128 Passing.. 385 Rushing - 513 Total Offense.. 50 Points (7 quarters)
Tenn....... 249 Passing... 94 Rushing - 343 Total Offense... 14 Points
Ohio St.... 208 Passing... 145 Rushing - 353 Total Offense.. 24 Points
ETA: Edited for dukke... 11.83 ppg in first grouping, 22.57 ppg in the second grouping.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:03 pm to Ldrake53
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People forget how magnificent Glen Dorsey was before he was chop blocked. That defense may not have been all time great, but Dorsey pre injury absolutely was. They were triple teaming him at one point.
He was so great that he still won almost every defensive award even after getting hurt. He was as unblockable as Suh was before the chop block.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:05 pm to chilge1
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chilge1
Now look at points allowed by each D and then get back to me....
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:12 pm to dukke v
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Look at some stats dude
I have. Also aren't you the same person that denies JJ'S stats because stats don't tell the story? You can't have it both ways. In the first 6 games(3 of which were ranked) our defense had given up 40 points.
24 of those were to a Tebow led florida.
Our defense was stout as shite in 2007 before our heart and soul Dorsey was hurt.
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And this has to do with what
Let's see. I guess it would mean our defense was getting to their qbs so much we knocked them put of the games.
we were 5th in the country in defensive yards per play
LSU 20th defensive yards per play was 4.0. LSU'LSU'S 2007 DEFENSIVE yards per play was 4.2. yes such a huge diff
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:18 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I have. Also aren't you the same person that denies JJ'S stats because stats don't tell the story? You can't have it both ways. In the first 6 games(3 of which were ranked) our defense had given up 40 points.
OK. 56 BTW.And at the and of each season what did each team give up in PPg........ Can you even do that??????
2003 & 2011>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2007...
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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In the first 6 games(3 of which were ranked)
But did they finished ranked??? You have stated before that games against teams that finish unranked mean nothing.... ESP when talking about Lee in 2011... He played great in the 1st 8 games but you say they mean nothing because teams he beat were unranked at the end of the year.... The only REAL quality team LSU beat the 1st 6 games[by your logic] was Va Tech...
YOU want it both ways.............
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Let's see. I guess it would mean our defense was getting to their qbs so much we knocked them put of the games
YPP doesn't mean shite to me... What did the D in 2007 give up point wise compared to 2003 and 2011??? Its a simple question... YPP DO NOT win games... Scoring more points than the other team DOES.........
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:26 pm to dukke v
Again. 2011 yards per play 4.2. 2007 yards per play 4.2
2003 opponents points per play is all of .15 lower than 2007 .
And as hard as our overall schedule was in 2011 the sec was kind of down. 6 sec teams had losing records.
2003 opponents points per play is all of .15 lower than 2007 .
And as hard as our overall schedule was in 2011 the sec was kind of down. 6 sec teams had losing records.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:29 pm to dukke v
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YPP doesn't mean shite to me... What did the D in 2007 give up point wise compared to 2003 and 2011??? Its a simple question... YPP DO NOT win games... Scoring more points than the other team DOES.........
Then you don't understand football. While points do win games, yards gained shows how successful your defense is. If an offense drive 85 yards on 6 plays and then misses a fg that doesn't mean your defense did well. That means the other teams special teams or offense messed up.
Take the 2011 seccg for example. Nothing our defense did stopped UGA from being up 21-3. Their wrs dropped wide open passes after moving the ball down the field with ease.
I already showed a link showing 2007's defense was .15 higher in points per play. Not some huge gap.
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:36 pm to dukke v
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But did they finished ranked??? You have stated before that games against teams that finish unranked mean nothing....
Holy shite. You ate the ones that Wang it both ways. I was using stats THAT YOU USED so you wouldn't bitch. Which is it?
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The only REAL quality team LSU beat the 1st 6 games[by your logic] was Va Tech
I used your way so you wouldn't bitch and now you bitch because I did. Good god bruh. Pick a fricking side and stick with it. I know that rankings only matter at the end of the year but you made this huge fricking deal about it the last time we discussed something so I used the way you like it. Trust me I wanted to use the end of the year rankings because in 2011 lsu ended up playing only 2 ranked sec teams bur I figured you bitch so I didn't use it. Make up you damn mind.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:37 pm to Lester Earl
All three starting linebackers have tons of experience. The two DTs have great experience as well. De is only unproven area, but the starters have experience from last year. So every starter in the front 7 has experience. (in response to the job experience poster)
This post was edited on 8/9/15 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:39 pm to lwest41
I said they were unproven. I didn't say inexperienced. They are unproven
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:39 pm to dukke v
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. 56 BTW.And at the and of each season what did each team give up in PPg........ Can you even do that??????
2003: .172 points per play
2011: .167 points per play
2007: .269 points per play
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2003 & 2011>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2007.
FACTS PROVE OTHERWISE. It's more like
2003/2011>>>2007
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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And as hard as our overall schedule was in 2011 the sec was kind of down. 6 sec teams had losing records.
Ok. How more simple can I make it????
PPG in each season??? Can you do that??? It will show that 2007 wasn't as good of a scoring D as the other two... Use all the excuses you want.. FACTS will prove you wrong... Of course you won't look at it cause YOU think you are the only one that knows football... Again Jlee played great in the 1st 8 games of 2011, BUT YOU think its irrelevant cause these teams they beat finished unranked.. Just like the teams that LSU 2007 beat in the 1st 6 games...
Posted on 8/9/15 at 4:53 pm to dukke v
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PPG in each season??? Can you do that??? It will show that 2007 wasn't as good of a scoring D as the other two...
2011 Scoring Defense - 158 Points, 11.3 PPG
2003 Scoring Defense - 154 Points, 11.0 PPG
2007 Scoring Defense - 83* Points, 11.8 PPG (excludes OT)
*Pre-Chaz Ramsey.
You take away Lavalais from that 2003 team or Mathieu from the 2011 team and see how well they fare.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 5:04 pm to chilge1
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2007 Scoring Defense - 83* Points, 11.8 PPG (excludes OT) *Pre-Chaz Ramsey
OMG....... You just can't admit you are wrong.. Use the whole season you dumbass. Whatever... The LSU D gave up a shitload of points per game than 2003 and 2011... Say what ou want, use all the excuses you want.... I don't care... This years D will be somewhere in between... I say it looks more like the 2007 D than the 2003 or 2011 teams.......
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