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re: ESPN Mark Schlabach has LSU 4th in SEC West

Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:24 am to
Posted by catnip
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:24 am to
In his mind he is being nice. He would rather LSU finish last.
Posted by LSUStar
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:47 am to
Hope we are wrong, but I do as well. Losses to Aubie, 'Bama and dare I speak it TAMU! :/
Posted by the_watcher
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:46 am to
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2/1 is still two to one. Doesn't matter if it's 10/5 or 20/10. He really wasn't asked to do much last year in regards to passing.

So there is no difference between throwing 10 touchdowns in a season vs. throwing 20 touchdowns in a season? What if he only threw 4 td's and 2 interceptions. Still 2/1 right?


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Check his 144.5 QB rating against other SEC QBs.


His QB rating was 135.5 LINK which was 7th in the SEC. A few QB's with a better qb rating - true freshman Jalen Hurts, true freshman Jake Bentley, Sean White, and Josh Dobbs.

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Remove auburn, different HC and OC than what finished the year. Tigers had a great offensive game VS the gators for 90 yards of the field. Don't think they will struggle as much on the goal line two years in a row.

Just remove the Auburn game? How convenient. He played awful and we didn't score a touchdown. He had 31 yards passing with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. That game happened you don't just get to "remove it" because it fits your world view that Etling isn't bad. He played the game. We didn't install an entire new offensive system in the 6 days in between that and the next game.
Posted by the_watcher
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:04 am to
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Hurts (240 of 382 for 2780 yds) also had 112 more pass attempts than Etling (160 of 269 for 2123) Comparing rushing stats is moronic.


Another poster compared our returning starters to Alabama. I then listed facts about both returning qb's. Not opinions. Facts. So is he moronic or through some message board transitive property does that pass to me since you disagree with something I didn't even do?

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Hurts also accounted for 14 turnovers, 9 picks and 5 fumbles lost and he really declined towards the end of their season.

He also accounted for 36 total touchdowns last season. He threw for 347/4 td's vs Miss St. and 286/2td's vs Auburn, both towards the end of their season "when he really declined"

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Makes for a very interesting season with a new OC IMO.

Would you be satisfied with these numbers from Etling this season as a 5th year senior?
2800 yards, 22 td's, 10 int's, 62% completion?
Posted by blackpurplegold
Houma, LA
Member since Jul 2017
47 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:20 am to
Etling being a 5th yr senior means nothing. It would only be his second year as a starter and having to learn a new system. Shouldn't be an issue since he's done this before since transferring in. I'm not so much concerned about those numbers in particular, just in the opportunities to get the ball downfield, which we all know he's not/wasn't in control of. He's a different style of player. Not a mobile guy and will never have as many rushing TDs as Hurts, who himself is learning under a new OC and I suspect will have his own problems. The benefit he has is he can tuck it and run when he can't find anyone downfield. Of course he'll have big numbers rushing because anyone who understands man to man or even zone coverage knows the QB is mostly unaccounted for. I know this does not answer your question but I don't think your question is one that can be realistically answered. On second thought I'm perfectly fine with this as long as they're W and not L.
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 11:53 am
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:26 am to
Concussions and cocaine can lead to some pretty embarrassing moments.
Posted by blackpurplegold
Houma, LA
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:29 am to
Way to hype up Hurt's stats against those teams. All this says to me is he got nearly a 1/3 of his season ending stats in 2 games, to include 3 of his 9 picks came in those same two games. Really??? I noticed you didn't mention his performance against LSU where he played like crap as a passer but was their leading rusher out of not being able to generate any offense until very late in the game. Comp 10 Att 19 Yds 107 CMP 52.6% LNG 52 TD 0 INT 1. LS served him his lowest QBR of the regular season so I guess you're right, he wasn't in decline, we just played that well in coverage. This game was also his 3rd lowest completions of the season. If you want to crown him, crown him. Johnny Manziel 2.0 IMO. Great runner when DBs and LBs are in coverage deep down the field with their backs turned. Less than average passer. PS, this game was late in the season.
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 11:48 am
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23544 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:30 am to
I agree with his ranking. Unfortunately, there is a lot of hype with the LSU team this year. More unfortunately, I believe it is mostly hype.

Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:55 am to
A good day to ride the rails.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:55 am to
If Etling starts it's a strong possibility.
Posted by Tiger79
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:06 pm to
GOOD I want our boys to have bulletin board material. We need to be on a mission this season.
Posted by the_watcher
Jarule's House
Member since Nov 2005
3450 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:10 pm to
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It would only be his second year as a starter

This will be his 3rd year as a starter. He started his sophomore year at Purdue before being benched 5 games into the season for Austin Appleby

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I know this does not answer your question but I don't think your question is one that can be realistically answered


You can't "realistically" answer the question "Would you be satisfied if Etling threw for 2800 yards, 22 td's, 10 int's, and completed 62% of his passes this season? You can't type yes or no? Seems fairly easy

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Way to hype up Hurt's stats against those teams.

The poster said Hurts declined "towards the end of the season." So I listed 2 games at the end of the season in which he did fantastic in directly refuting his claim. Try to keep up.

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PS, this game was late in the season.

So when I pick 2 games late in the season that are directly in disagreement with what was claimed, it's "hyping up his stats" but when you pick a game that he didn't play well in it's somehow not?
Posted by Johnny4lsu
Opelousas, LA
Member since Apr 2008
5143 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:11 pm to
He's a turd
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95830 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:50 pm to
LSU finished 3rd in the west last year and we return the fewest starters, and we have a 1st year head coach who was 3-21 in his last stint as a head coach in the SEC.



How can anyone truly bash someone for ranking us 4th? I mean I disagree but it is far from a hot take garbage pick
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted by blackpurplegold
Houma, LA
Member since Jul 2017
47 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:22 pm to
Laughable. The things you troll tide folks come up with. The career that Etling had while at Pur-who is meaningless. In what world is throwing 3 picks in a two game span is "fantastic"? Tell me you're kidding. I don't think very many scouts or coaches overlook turn overs as you do. No one overlooks QBs who can't protect the football. Yes, you're glorifying what went right in those two games and absolutely ignored the bad. I get it. You're simply looking through your loyalist glasses. I'd say 1/3 of your INTs coming in two games late in the season isn't much to write home about especially considering he played 15 games all season. Lastly, I answered your question with the last sentence in my previous post. I said I'm fine with those numbers as long as it translates to wins as opposed to losses. Try to keep up. Seems fairly easy. You're that guy that can recite every game or stat in the history of a sport but actually don't know anything about the game. 3 INTS are NOT fantastic. Even with 6 TDs. The fact is the kid threw 4 of his 9 picks in the last 5 games of the regular season. Again, not fantastic. Well maybe in your ovulation crimson world...
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted by the_watcher
Jarule's House
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:35 pm to
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The things you troll tide folks come up with.


I'm an LSU fan. Check my post history. I'm also not sure how listing facts is trolling.

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Lastly, I answered your question with the last sentence in my previous post


You literally said "I can't realistically answer your question."

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You're simply looking through your loyalist glasses

Again, I'm an LSU fan. And an LSU graduate. But I also have the ability to make a rational observation about lsu football.

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I said I'm fine with those numbers as long as it translates to wins as opposed to losses.

Great. Those were Jalen Hurts numbers last year as a passer, minus a touchdown and plus an interception. You proved my point for me.

You just said you'd be fine with 2800 yards, 22 td's, 10 ints, and a 62% completion rate. Hurts last season as a true freshman had 2780 yards, 23 passing touchdowns, 9 int's, and 62% completion rate. He also ran for 954 yards and 13 more td's but apparently I can't bring that up since Etling can't run. That's how that works right?

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Well maybe in your ovulation crimson world...

This isn't even in English
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4703 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:30 pm to
Point was Etling's production with EdO as HC and SE as OC. Same offense just a little more imagination in play calling.

Big difference between 20 TDs and only 10. No doubt. BIG difference between 10 pics and five also. With a great running game you might not have to rely on passing TDs as much.

His 144.5 QB rating was with EdO as head coach not for the season. Just think what his numbers must have been with Cam as OC to finish with a 135.5 QB rating. What about his 8.5 yards per attempt.

You do know LSU had one of the most explosive offenses in the SEC right?
Posted by blackpurplegold
Houma, LA
Member since Jul 2017
47 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 5:44 am to
Spoken like a "new" LSU fan
Posted by blackpurplegold
Houma, LA
Member since Jul 2017
47 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 6:17 am to
Sure it is such as puke green, burnt orange, blood red, ovulation crimson or better yet, menstrual crimson. Your observation is anything but rational nor is it about LSU football. Purely about Hurt's accomplishments for two games last season. I spoke out saying what I felt was declining play during that same time. Enter you to his defense. Hurts did what I say he did towards the end of the season. You singled out two games during that time in which he threw multiple TDs multiple INTs and threw for 630 plus yards. You feel that this was fantastic play. While these numbers are factual, it doesn't make them fantastic or disprove he was not in decline. You're speaking as a fan that is easily wowed because you envy Alabama. We don't have Jalen Hurts as our QB. If you know so much about football then you should know numbers don't tell the complete story and can be misleading. I'm pretty sure Jalen Hurts wishes he would not have thrown the majority of his INTS in the last 5 games of the season nor would he proclaim his play during that span as fantastic. You have no point.

"Asked why he and the offense struggled during significant portions of the game, he said, "We just didn't execute."

It was the simplest explanation he could have conjured after seven of Alabama's 17 drives resulted in three-and-outs. In Steve Sarkisian's debut as offensive coordinator, Hurts continued his pattern of regression as a passer that began in late November and persisted until the crushing final second of Alabama's season. On Monday, Hurts completed 13 of 31 attempts for 131 yards. The question mark with Hurts is his passing, especially after he threw for an average of just 109 yards in Alabama's final three games last year while competing only 48 percent of his passes in those three games".

Again, not sure what games you were watching last year, perhaps you simply looked at the numbers. The whole country was watching this kid late in the season being they were hot shiiite and all. I have yet to come across any articles saying he was fantastic DURING THE END OF THE SEASON, including the two measly games you highlight.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 8/31/17 at 7:50 am to
Texas Bowl bound




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