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re: ESPN (Chris Low) preseason power rankings...
Posted on 8/10/10 at 11:35 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 8/10/10 at 11:35 am to Prominentwon
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Other than Kirkpatrick (who only played sparingly and I'm only guessing he might be decent), it's in shambles.
Right, but you have to admit that Saban has a history of wringing great performances out of average secondary talent. And if their talented d-line gets tremendous pressure on the QB, it alleviates their lack of secondary depth and speed.
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Posted on 8/10/10 at 11:42 am to The312
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Right, but you have to admit that Saban has a history of wringing great performances out of average secondary talent. And if their talented d-line gets tremendous pressure on the QB, it alleviates their lack of secondary depth and speed.
they're below average.
As for the DL, they have Dareus, dipshit career backup Luther Davis......that's it. Other guys are in camp trying to make a name for themselves.
Posted on 8/10/10 at 11:57 am to XbengalTiger
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I don't see how anyone can have UGA third considering they are changing scheme on defense and have an inexperienced underclassman at QB.
well you just described 2009 LSU and we came in 3rd so its possible. I guesss we didnt change scheme, rather just the system within a scheme.
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:02 pm to Tiger Stadium 11
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He solved Nutt last year, but Nutt and the addition of the quantum physics of timeouts got him.
Hopefully you were joking, but if not....
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS LSU 290 / Ole Miss 426
You homers sure do have short memories.
This post was edited on 8/10/10 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:04 pm to Prominentwon
quote:I'm with Prom. The general theme of the offseason regarding Bama is that A) their offense will be explosive and carry the team and B) Saban will reload on defense despite losing nine starters.
This team was not an offensive juggernaut. The offense did what the defense allowed it to do. Which was run the ball and kill the clock with 2 enormous trucks they called RB's. Ball control.
Hey, that might happen, but it seems the Bama predictions are far more pie in the sky than people would like to admit (full disclosure: I picked Bama to win the SEC last year, so this isn't just hating Bama, who I do hate). The offense is not suddenly goig to become what its not. It is a ball control unit, but Bama lacks the ability to overcome a lead in all likelihood. This is not an offense built for playing from behind.
The defense seems to be a lot of hype. People are bestowing Saban magical powers to just reload despite suffering huge personnel losses. Maybe he can pull it off, but I would count on some dip in the defense's performance. The losses are just too big.
While I do not understand the Auburn hype at all, I do get the Arkansas hype. Though I do believe how you rank the Hogs ahead of the Tigers. It's just a simple question: which unit do you think is more likely to improve, LSU's offense or Arkansas' defense?
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:16 pm to JYD
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TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS LSU 290 / Ole Miss 426
Oh I forgot the scoreboard doesnt matter, its whoever has the most yards! Lets use the stat that reflects LSU in the most negative light, thats always the way it goes on here, my b.
This post was edited on 8/10/10 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:19 pm to Prominentwon
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they're below average.
They're unproven, not below average. That's a big difference.
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:19 pm to slayerxing
Well let him rank us low. When we come out and start knockin people in the mouth I can't WAIT for ESPN to STFU
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:28 pm to LSUTiger2001
The more I think on it the fewer reasons I can see to rate Ark. Uga and Au ahead of LSU. Three teams the Tigers defeated a year ago, two of which are breaking in new QB's. And none of the three look to have made great strides defensively. Any of those three may wind up better but until they prove it on the field I have LSU at #3 in the SEC.
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:31 pm to RANDY44
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The more I think on it the fewer reasons I can see to rate Ark. Uga and Au ahead of LSU. Three teams the Tigers defeated a year ago, two of which are breaking in new QB's. And none of the three look to have made great strides defensively. Any of those three may wind up better but until they prove it on the field I have LSU at #3 in the SEC.
I hate to be the one to say this and I don't even agree with it necessarily, but the reason these teams are constantly being put ahead of LSU by the media is because of the perception that Arkansas and Auburn are improving programs and LSU is declining.
Bash away.
This post was edited on 8/10/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:32 pm to Tiger Stadium 11
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Oh I forgot the scoreboard doesnt matter, its whoever has the most yards! Lets use the stat that reflects LSU in the most negative light, thats always the way it goes on here, my b.
no. you're the idiot that said LM had solved houston nutt last year, not me, even though we came out on the short end of said 'scoreboard'. i'm merely pointing out how ole miss manhandled us on the field for the 2nd year in a row. if you take away the special teams td by peterson the final score wouldn't have even been close. we also scored our last td with just over a minute to even make it interesting and without the hail mary there's no chance of stealing a game that we didn't deserve to win in the first place.
This post was edited on 8/10/10 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:42 pm to JYD
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no. you're the idiot
never said you were the idiot. I respect what your saying I just disagree.
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i'm merely pointing out how ole miss manhandled us stat wise for the 2nd year in a row
Yea but they didnt man handle us in the only stat that matters last year
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if you take away the special teams td by peterson the final score wouldn't have even been close.
So you're saying if we didnt make the good plays we made, we wouldnt have been in the game. Hmmm, interesting?
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we scored with just over a minute to make it interesting and without the hail mary there's no chance of stealing a game that we didn't deserve to win in the first place.
Oh you mean how we were well within field goal range before the hail mary? My mind must be imaging things because I was pretty sure we couldve kicked a makeable field goal from the spot where Lafell was tackled, before there was even a need for a hail marry. So im not quite sure how you came up with there was no chance for us to win the game before the hail marry?
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:46 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Which is, not to put too fine a point on it, an incorrect perception.
the perception that Arkansas and Auburn are improving programs and LSU is declining.
Auburn went from 2-6 to 3-5
Arkansas went from 2-6 to 3-5
LSU went from 3-5 to 5-3
So, LSU had the greatest improvement last season AND was the only one of the the three to post an above 500 record in conference.
Arkansas and Auburn improve to where LSU was in 2008, and people are tripping over themselves to praise them. LSU goes from that point to 3rd in the SEC, and all we hear about is decline.
Heck, let's look at three year trends....
Auburn: 5-3, 2-6, 3-5
Arkansas: 4-4, 2-6, 3-5
LSU: 6-2, 3-5, 5-3
Auburn has decline two wins in the last two years, Arkansas and LSU each declined one. So either all are declining or all are improving, depending on your start point. Either way, LSU is on a higher plane, having finished ahead of both teams in each of the last three seasons.
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:49 pm to LSUTiger2001
I also do not understand the hype around Auburn.
Posted on 8/10/10 at 12:51 pm to Baloo
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Which is, not to put too fine a point on it, an incorrect perception.
Auburn went from 2-6 to 3-5
Arkansas went from 2-6 to 3-5
LSU went from 3-5 to 5-3
So, LSU had the greatest improvement last season AND was the only one of the the three to post an above 500 record in conference.
Arkansas and Auburn improve to where LSU was in 2008, and people are tripping over themselves to praise them. LSU goes from that point to 3rd in the SEC, and all we hear about is decline.
Heck, let's look at three year trends....
Auburn: 5-3, 2-6, 3-5
Arkansas: 4-4, 2-6, 3-5
LSU: 6-2, 3-5, 5-3
Auburn has decline two wins in the last two years, Arkansas and LSU each declined one. So either all are declining or all are improving, depending on your start point. Either way, LSU is on a higher plane, having finished ahead of both teams in each of the last three seasons.
I agree with all this except you're leaving out one crucial fact.
Both Arkansas and Auburn changed coached two years ago, so media members don't really take into account the 2007 season for them. On the other hand, LSU has been under the same coach since 2005, so the media views the trend as starting then. In their eyes, this is what they see:
Arkansas: Improving the last two years under a known coach, Petrino.
Auburn: Improved from 2008 under relatively unknown coach.
LSU: Declining since 2005-2007 under same coach.
Again, I don't necessarily agree with this, but this is what the media is thinking while making these predictions.
This post was edited on 8/10/10 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 8/10/10 at 1:00 pm to LSUTiger2001
I'd almost rather be first in the bottom six than last in the top six. Best of the underdogs? I dunno. 
Posted on 8/10/10 at 1:14 pm to LSUTiger2001
frick this guy! Jefferson had the second highest comp % and one of the better QB ratings while having a completely shite OL and being one of the youngest starters.
4 of the top 5 coaches on our staff have championship experience(which includes 4 NC teams) and we have been consistently stockpiling talent. If we are playing the potential game then we are just as deserving of the top spot.
4 of the top 5 coaches on our staff have championship experience(which includes 4 NC teams) and we have been consistently stockpiling talent. If we are playing the potential game then we are just as deserving of the top spot.
This post was edited on 8/10/10 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/10/10 at 1:47 pm to Tiger Stadium 11
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Oh you mean how we were well within field goal range before the hail mary? My mind must be imaging things because I was pretty sure we couldve kicked a makeable field goal from the spot where Lafell was tackled, before there was even a need for a hail marry. So im not quite sure how you came up with there was no chance for us to win the game before the hail marry?
You're correct about the Lafell catch. That put us at the Miss 32 which was definitely a makeable FG, but that's far from a gimme under those circumstances with the game on the line, but i stand corrected. had our next 3 plays generated 0, -9, & -6 yds we might have actually won even though it wasn't deserved.
Posted on 8/10/10 at 1:56 pm to JYD
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actually won even though it wasn't deserved.
So you actually care if a W is deserved or not?
Posted on 8/10/10 at 1:59 pm to Prominentwon
not a bit!
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