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re: ESPN - LSU's QB battle again LSU's offseason concern
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:02 am to chilge1
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:02 am to chilge1
quote:
That's just turrible.
It wasnt because of Jefferson.
2011-11-12 Western Kentucky W (42-9) 10 19 52.6 183 2 40 291 7.3 4 59 474 8.0 9 12 2 23 5 44 1 0 1
11 2011-11-19 @ Mississippi W (52-3) 8 8 100.0 105 1 50 353 7.1 4 58 458 7.9 8 13 0 21 3 35 0 0 0
12 2011-11-25 Arkansas W (41-17) 18 29 62.1 208 1 46 286 6.2 3 75 494 6.6 10 14 2 26 6 34 1 1 2
13 2011-12-03 N Georgia W (42-10) 5 13 38.5 30 1 35 207 5.9 3 48 237 4.9 1 11 1 13 8 54 0 0 0
14 2012-01-09 N Alabama L (0-21) 11 17 64.7 53 0 27 39 1.4 0 44 92 2.1 1 4 0 5 5 35 1 1 2
he threw for over 200yds barely one game...and at or under 100 yds for 3/5...
Lee's offense was clearly better, turning on all cyclinders.
I remember it clearly, JJ wasn't preatty, and consider we had one of the best defenses in history also.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:04 am to chilge1
quote:
quote: And then we go on to having an anemic offense the rest of the year 42-9 52-3 41-17 42-10 That's just turrible.
Understand your point, but there's an awful lot of defense, special teams and long breaking runs in those numbers. Plus the now-legendary short field provided by the defense and special teams.
Example, in the GA game, TDs:
Punt return (TM)
15 yd run (Hilliard)
4 yd run (Hilliard)
8 yd pass (JJ to Hilliard)
48 yd run (Blue)
Interception (Mo)
Not the most "anemic" offensive example, just showing the breakdown of TDs because it's hard to grasp nowadays.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:06 am to TigerFan55555
Be nice if you actually labeled those numbers so they had any meaning.
40+ PPG is not anemic any way you look at it
40+ PPG is not anemic any way you look at it
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:09 am to LSURonin
We'll have a quality quality qb battle in the spring between some quality players.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:20 am to chilge1
quote:
40+ PPG is not anemic any way you look at it
The defense and special teams scored in those games which skews the points. The Georgia game was pitiful in the first half with our points coming from mathieu who had more td than our offense had first downs in the first half.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:35 am to Gray Tiger
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If HARRIS gets the keys I have no doubt LSU will compete for the West.
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Based upon?
I don't understand why this is still a question. Harris had 9 touchdowns and 2 turnovers in about 8 quarters of action.
Jennings had 11 and 7 in the remaining 45.
They both played cupcakes, and they both played SEC teams.
We'll just say that 3 points were scored on every turnover we gave up (it wasn't that high - but that doesn't matter).
So adjusted scoring (points from TDs minus points off turnovers) is Harris, 48, Jennings, 45.
It's obvious, even with the small sample size, that Harris is a much bigger scoring threat.
IF QB is the only glaring weakness, it's safe to assume that an upgrade would make us compete for the West.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:37 am to chilge1
Passing Rushing Total Offense First Downs Penalties Turnovers
Rk Date Opponent Result Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Att Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg Pass Rush Pen Tot No. Yds Fum Int Tot
10 2011-11-12 Western Kentucky W (42-9) 10 19 52.6 183 2 40 291 7.3 4 59 474 8.0 9 12 2 23 5 44 1 0 1
11 2011-11-19 @ Mississippi W (52-3) 8 8 100.0 105 1 50 353 7.1 4 58 458 7.9 8 13 0 21 3 35 0 0 0
12 2011-11-25 Arkansas W (41-17) 18 29 62.1 208 1 46 286 6.2 3 75 494 6.6 10 14 2 26 6 34 1 1 2
13 2011-12-03 N Georgia W (42-10) 5 13 38.5 30 1 35 207 5.9 3 48 237 4.9 1 11 1 13 8 54 0 0 0
14 2012-01-09 N Alabama L (0-21) 11 17 64.7 53 0 27 39 1.4 0 44 92 2.1 1 4 0 5 5 35 1 1 2
14 Games 173 279 62.0 2135 21 591 2836 4.8 35 870 4971 5.7 97 146 26 269 86 686 5 5 10
or if it makes it easier..
you can really see the decline once Jefferson was put in...It was WAAAY more balanced when Lee (someone who could throw a football) was starting.
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Rk Date Opponent Result Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Att Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg Pass Rush Pen Tot No. Yds Fum Int Tot
10 2011-11-12 Western Kentucky W (42-9) 10 19 52.6 183 2 40 291 7.3 4 59 474 8.0 9 12 2 23 5 44 1 0 1
11 2011-11-19 @ Mississippi W (52-3) 8 8 100.0 105 1 50 353 7.1 4 58 458 7.9 8 13 0 21 3 35 0 0 0
12 2011-11-25 Arkansas W (41-17) 18 29 62.1 208 1 46 286 6.2 3 75 494 6.6 10 14 2 26 6 34 1 1 2
13 2011-12-03 N Georgia W (42-10) 5 13 38.5 30 1 35 207 5.9 3 48 237 4.9 1 11 1 13 8 54 0 0 0
14 2012-01-09 N Alabama L (0-21) 11 17 64.7 53 0 27 39 1.4 0 44 92 2.1 1 4 0 5 5 35 1 1 2
14 Games 173 279 62.0 2135 21 591 2836 4.8 35 870 4971 5.7 97 146 26 269 86 686 5 5 10
or if it makes it easier..
you can really see the decline once Jefferson was put in...It was WAAAY more balanced when Lee (someone who could throw a football) was starting.
LINK
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:42 am to TigerFan55555
Where is this decline?
In 8 games with Lee, we had 450+ yards of offense once and exceeded our average yards per play 3 times. In 4 games with Jefferson we had 450+ and exceeded average yards per play 3 times.
In 8 games with Lee, we had 450+ yards of offense once and exceeded our average yards per play 3 times. In 4 games with Jefferson we had 450+ and exceeded average yards per play 3 times.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:45 am to TrueTigerTale
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. With Heisman frontrunner L.F.
Really???? LSU will not have a Heisman winner as long as Miles I coach.... Not at RB anyway.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:46 am to TrueTigerTale
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whats sure to be a high quality D.C hire
When is this coming??? The longer the wait the wrose it will get... Face it. Miles is scrambling to find a quality DC for the same reason Chef left.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:48 am to dukke v
quote:
Miles is scrambling to find a quality DC for the same reason Chef left.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:53 am to chilge1
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Where is this decline?
If you cant remember how much smoother the offense ran and how much more confidence the players had in Lee then I cant help you...and honestly I dont feel like arguing with a brick wall today. Hell some people try to spin Jennings #'s around and make him look good, I watch the games, I know whats good and bad...Jefferson was terrible, and Jennings (albeit a great kid) isnt any good
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:55 am to TrueTigerTale
Why is everyone talking about this quarterback battle like it will be Jennings vs. Harris?
We need to focus on Miller vs. Golson.
We need to focus on Miller vs. Golson.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:56 am to TigerFan55555
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If you cant remember how much smoother the offense ran and how much more confidence the players had in Lee then I cant help you..
It's pretty comical how often this line gets recycled when someone who does nothing but spew shite is proved wrong.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:08 pm to chilge1
quote:
It's pretty comical how often this line gets recycled when someone who
realizes you cant fix stupid, so why try...
FIFY
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:12 pm to TigerFan55555
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In 8 games with Lee, we had 450+ yards of offense once and exceeded our average yards per play 3 times. In 4 games with Jefferson we had 450+ and exceeded average yards per play 3 times.
But I'm stupid, so this means jack squat, right?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:33 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:I realize that you are stupid, but I'll try anyway.
realizes you cant fix stupid, so why try...
The three regular season games that Jefferson started (the three regular season games after the November 5th Alabama game) were the three best offensive games of the season.
It wasn't that one of Jefferson's games was better than Lee's games. It wasn't that the average of Jefferson's games was better than Lee's average. Every regular season game that Jefferson started was better than every regular season game that Lee started.
LSU's best passing game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best rushing game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best total offense game happened when Jefferson started.
Compare regular season numbers. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee: higher Completion %, higher QB Rating, higher YPA, lower Interception %. And that's not even mentioning how much Jefferson improved the team's rushing attack.
Post-season numbers cannot be compared. Jefferson played in the Championship games. Lee didn't
Jefferson was more efficient than Lee
From the moment that Jefferson threw his first pass in the Florida game in 2011, he had a better efficiency than Lee, and that higher efficiency continued for the rest of the regular season. That's right, from his first pass until the end of the regular season, Jefferson had a higher efficiency and QB Rating than Lee.
So when folks say that Lee was an efficient QB, the "most efficient" QB in the SEC, at no point during the regular from the time after Jefferson threw his first pass was Lee more efficient than Jefferson.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:02 pm to Upperdecker
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but Flynn and Perilloux took time from each other, it wasn't one consistent qb the whole season
What? There were a couple of plays each game designed for RP. Other than that, RP played when Flynn was injured.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:02 pm to chilge1
quote:
If you cant remember how much smoother the offense ran and how much more confidence the players had in Lee then I cant help you..
He is 100% spot on....
quote:
It's pretty comical how often this line gets recycled when someone who does nothing but spew shite
Sorry chump, But you are wrong here...........
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:05 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:
TigerFan55555
You should seriously rethink your position if Peej is agreeing with you.
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