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re: Don't lose perspective with Aranda..
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:30 am to Dawgfan128
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:30 am to Dawgfan128
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Forgive me for being objective and giving a guy a chance from mistakes of 10 years ago
We're a top football program, so that's an awfully BIG risk to take to "give a guy a chance" with our HC job. I'd prefer to minimize risk and take a guy that has had actual recent success as a head coach.
Maybe a lesser school could "give him the chance," but we didn't see any of those schools offering that to O. We literally were the only one.
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:32 am to saturncube21
The irony of all of this is a lot of folks were warning that we lost a ton of top tier talent this past season to the NFL and had some reservations about how good this team will be. They were attacked as O apologists and the "LSU always loses talent and only reloads" argument was made. Who on this team right now provides the leadership and talent that we got from Adams and Trey White. Greedy is talented, but he's still young. We knew KT2 and Donte had issues.
Devin White is a freak, but is he ready to captain the D? No one is at Duke Riley's level. Has anyone stepped up for Godchaux, Bower, Neal or Jefferson?
Offensively do we miss Pocic and Boutte (Teheuma due to his stupidity)? Dural and Dupre? Fournette? Our 2 TEs Smith and Jeter?
That doesn't even include all the injuries. Not making excuses, just looking at the reality of the roster.
This team will get better, but that was a lot of talent lost. Miss St caught us at a time when they are likely surging as a team and we haven't gotten our footing yet with all of the youth, new schemes and injuries. I think we will be a much better team by the time we go to Gainsville.
Devin White is a freak, but is he ready to captain the D? No one is at Duke Riley's level. Has anyone stepped up for Godchaux, Bower, Neal or Jefferson?
Offensively do we miss Pocic and Boutte (Teheuma due to his stupidity)? Dural and Dupre? Fournette? Our 2 TEs Smith and Jeter?
That doesn't even include all the injuries. Not making excuses, just looking at the reality of the roster.
This team will get better, but that was a lot of talent lost. Miss St caught us at a time when they are likely surging as a team and we haven't gotten our footing yet with all of the youth, new schemes and injuries. I think we will be a much better team by the time we go to Gainsville.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:50 am to atltiger6487
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hell, with playmakers, depth and experience, even I could be a good DC.
The true test of a good coach is what you do with LESSER talent. What you do when injuries occur. You know, adjust and scheme to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
Coaching.
Oh, then you mean like he did at Wisconsin?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:54 am to BayouCowboy
Thing is, we have seniors and upperclassmen who did step into those guys positions the same way it is every year. It's those guys who are having the most problems. We are only a 'young' team because our upperclassmen are being outplayed by the Freshmen. Let that sink in a little and that shows where we are.
As far as Aranda goes, I think he's a great coach who didn't have his guys ready. I'm sure he recognizes it and I bet the defense feels it this week. Hopefully anyway. I haven't seen many calls for Aranda's head. He has pride in his work and seems more to let his results speak.
As far as Aranda goes, I think he's a great coach who didn't have his guys ready. I'm sure he recognizes it and I bet the defense feels it this week. Hopefully anyway. I haven't seen many calls for Aranda's head. He has pride in his work and seems more to let his results speak.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:54 am to nola000
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Oh, then you mean like he did at Wisconsin?
don't get me wrong, I like Aranda alot and am thrilled we have him here.
I was merely pointing out that great coaching from a DC can still produce a good defense even though it's not loaded with playmakers, depth and experience.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:57 am to saturncube21
you speak english?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:21 am to atltiger6487
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don't get me wrong, I like Aranda alot and am thrilled we have him here.
I was merely pointing out that great coaching from a DC can still produce a good defense even though it's not loaded with playmakers, depth and experience.
Fair enough and I actually agree with you.
Good coaching can make a bad D good and a good D great but bad coaching can make even a great D bad.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:28 am to drdoct
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We are only a 'young' team because our upperclassmen are being outplayed by the Freshmen.
True. Does that mean we haven't developed them well or are the new kids that good? Either way, young talent can get beat by getting outschemed and that happened Saturday. Youth and poor "eye discipline" as stated by White, killed the D.
Aranda said this has been his toughest year as a coach due to all the youth and it showed. Everyone has raved about these freshmen, but at the end of the day they are still freshmen. Putting 1-2 out there is one thing. When your D is mostly freshmen, RS fresh and soph's you could be in trouble against a good O and OC.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:33 am to atltiger6487
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It just goes to show you've got to have playmakers, depth and experience for even the very best coordinators. hell, with playmakers, depth and experience, even I could be a good DC. The true test of a good coach is what you do with LESSER talent. What you do when injuries occur. You know, adjust and scheme to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses
Very true.
A great coach knows what he can get out of each player and does it....even during tough times.
Most of us could win w a couple of Michael Jordan s on the team.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:35 am to atltiger6487
The fact that Canada went tempo with multiple 3 and outs had more to do with Aranda and his defense not performing well on Saturday.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:40 am to lovinLSU
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Funny thing is some LSU fans want to shite on him but if and when he leaves for another coaching stint next year they will cry their eyes out.... double standard eh?
As it is, we'll have to bid to keep him, something Alleva is unwilling to do, particularly against Texas for example.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:42 am to IIxxBREADxxII
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The fact that Canada went tempo with multiple 3 and outs had more to do with Aranda and his defense not performing well on Saturday.
Young coaches make that mistake - he should learn from it - you go tempo early, but only if you've already demonstrated you can make first downs.
If you go tempo and fail to convert, all you're doing is wearing your own defense down - not the opponent.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:44 am to atltiger6487
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hell, with playmakers, depth and experience, even I could be a good DC.
That was Steele's mentality i think. Didn't work.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:46 am to Dawgfan128
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IDGAF about the past.
this may be up their with trindon to de.
are you judging coaches on their future?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:56 am to Dawgfan128
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think I'll rely on my experiences and success in life
So you form an opinion of yourself not on the dumbassery you've displayed on this board these last few days, but on your past experiences. Yet when people bring up oregeron's past experiences from his tenure at ole miss you get mad and say they shouldn't do that and "IDGAF about the past"
What was that you were saying about double standards earlier?
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:24 am to atltiger6487
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The true test of a good coach is what you do with LESSER talent. What you do when injuries occur. You know, adjust and scheme to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
Sooooo Saban sucks as a coach then. Gotcha.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 12:45 pm to Mohican
I think long term his defenses work. But in the SEC he cannot go with smaller faster. I read an article that said his defense would be small and quick. That doesn't work against teams in the SEC except maybe Missouri. LSU has to recruit big Dlineman and big fast linebackers to keep from getting run over. DB's have to also be big and fast. We can't compromise size just to get the speed. It has to be both. Big and Fast all over the field.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 12:50 pm to lovinLSU
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some LSU fans want to shite on him
who?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 12:56 pm to saturncube21
I think he did pretty good the first half. 2nd half the team looked like it was tired or gave up...maybe both.
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