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re: Does winning the CWS keep people here?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:24 pm to ell_13
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:24 pm to ell_13
From all accounts yes he’s hard to work for. And from my job perspective I’ve had probably around a dozen interactions with him and he’s never been ugly to me.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 4:28 pm
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:25 pm to ell_13
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:26 pm to Naptime
Why?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:29 pm to Naptime
Need to keep winning to develop that Championship Culture. Winning 1 CWS is not going to keep or create that culture but it is a step in the right direction.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:30 pm to Choupique19
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There is some evidence that Jay forced a change in pitching philosophy after the Miss State series, and would you look at that, it worked!
There is evidence that the regular season was treated as a laboratory to develop and train the staff with the postseason being the fruit of that labor.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:33 pm to Naptime
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From all accounts yes he’s hard to work for. And from my job perspective I’ve had probably around a dozen interactions with him and he’s never been ugly to me.
Skip and Saban were by most accounts hard to work for was well. What’s the point?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:39 pm to Hot Carl
I agree with all of that as well. It's the day of the portal. Will have to be balanced but if a super star (Tommy White type) wants in, you have to take him just like you said. Jay's job is to win while staying within the rules and trying to develop these guys all at the same time. I know it isn't ideal for the in state freshman, but if they are good enough they will find the field or they will need to continue to develop for their opportunity. If not they will hit the portal. Some will come in, some will go out.
As of right now there is no right or wrong way to navigate it. Everything will be trial and error for another few years to see how to do it. Could cause some concern for sure with in state guys that might be fringe type players when it comes to talent, but at the end of the day winning is what it comes down to.
This is the part that a lot of the above will be trial and error. It can get the way you are suggesting I would think, it will be up to Jay to keep all that in mind. I don't think it will become an issue in the long run.
As of right now there is no right or wrong way to navigate it. Everything will be trial and error for another few years to see how to do it. Could cause some concern for sure with in state guys that might be fringe type players when it comes to talent, but at the end of the day winning is what it comes down to.
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And how many freshmen can you woo before too many of them eventually feel that same way, and does that affect his ability to continue getting those guys long-term.
This is the part that a lot of the above will be trial and error. It can get the way you are suggesting I would think, it will be up to Jay to keep all that in mind. I don't think it will become an issue in the long run.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:47 pm to BayTiger13
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I agree with all of that as well.
Man, we are aligned today. This thread and the recruiting board one about Guidry?
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As of right now there is no right or wrong way to navigate it. Everything will be trial and error for another few years to see how to do it.
“Trial and error” is the perfect way to put it. I think every coach is kinda feeling their way in the dark right now. Some will go too far one way, others too far the other. I absolutely trust Jay to figure it as well or better than anybody.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:54 pm to Hot Carl
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Man, we are aligned today. This thread and the recruiting board one about Guidry?
I just enjoy baseball talk and I call it like I see it, agree or disagree.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:57 pm to BayTiger13
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I just enjoy baseball talk and I call it like I see it, agree or disagree.
Same. My posts are typically too long for most people to read, though.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:57 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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There is evidence that the regular season was treated as a laboratory to develop and train the staff with the postseason being the fruit of that labor.
No, we quit throwing so many stinking 2-0 and 3-1 curveballs. In fact, we weren’t getting into those counts because we actually were throwing first pitch fastballs and getting ahead in the count instead of always pitching from behind.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:03 pm to Naptime
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Does winning the CWS keep people here?
Winning the CWS keeps the team in a position to win at the highest levels.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:06 pm to Hot Carl
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“Trial and error” is the perfect way to put it. I think every coach is kinda feeling their way in the dark right now. Some will go too far one way, others too far the other. I absolutely trust Jay to figure it as well or better than anybody.
Jay will figure it out. You mentioned earlier in this thread about hoping Jay doesn’t lose sight that we need a few Louisiana kids in that lineup. I think Jay is well aware (and I know Skip used to always talk about it so I know the two have discussed it) that guys like Beloso, Jobert, Milazzo, and Pearson may not end up with long professional baseball careers but they have grown up their entire lives wanting to win a national title for LSU. Those are the kids that can push you across the finish line. Even a guy like Riley Cooper, who isn’t from here, but he likely doesn’t have a long pro career ahead of him, and he was willing to pitch until his arm fell off if it meant winning a national title.
You’ve got to have the program guys.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:23 pm to Choupique19
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No, we quit throwing so many stinking 2-0 and 3-1 curveballs. In fact, we weren’t getting into those counts because we actually were throwing first pitch fastballs and getting ahead in the count instead of always pitching from behind.
I think a couple of things went into this:
1) The SEC strike zone was absolutely smaller this year due to the umpires being graded. And some went too far. Instead of not just getting balls just off the plate that were framed up and hit their spots, they were calling a ton of balls on the black balls. That changed in the postseason and we took advantage.
2) they were definitely using the regular season to see who they could count on and what pitches they could call for those guys and trust.
3) they figured out who was best in control of their emotions and who could “control their breathing” in big spots and committed to riding them the rest of the way
4) the big ballpark in Omaha and the win blowing in gave both the pitchers and coaches the confidence to throw fastballs early in counts like you said, but also off speed for strikes instead of off the plate hoping for chases. They had more room for error because missing over the plate wasn’t as costly. Ackenhousen said as much about his change up. He knew he could throw it over the plate and not get beat by it. At least not by home runs.
I don’t think Jay “took over” after Wes was announced as the Georgia HC. I’m sure he was still as involved as ever and still called pitches. I think Jay making all the mound visits was because he feels like he’s got a better understanding of how he to talk to the pitchers psychologically. Or how he wanted to talk to them. If he was going to get beat, he wanted to make sure he didn’t leave it up to someone else.
But more than that, most of those mound visits were with runners on base, and he wanted to talk to the infield and catcher as much as the pitcher. Get them on the same page on bunt coverages, 1st and 3rd situations, shifts, etc…And he trusted himself more to say the right things to the non-pitchers and get them in the best psychological place.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:30 pm to Hot Carl
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But more than that, most of those mound visits were with runners on base, and he wanted to talk to the infield and catcher as much as the pitcher. Get them on the same page on bunt coverages, 1st and 3rd situations, shifts, etc
Agreed. I don’t think Jay kicked Wes to the curb and started doing everything on his own, but I do believe there was a staff meeting after Miss State and a change in pitching tactics occurred.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:34 pm to Choupique19
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No, we quit throwing so many stinking 2-0 and 3-1 curveballs. In fact, we weren’t getting into those counts because we actually were throwing first pitch fastballs and getting ahead in the count instead of always pitching from behind.
And you think it took a coaching staff capable of winning a national title the entire regular season to figure that out? Or is it more reasonable to assume that they pitched a specific way during the regular season to stretch them, improve their repertoire, learn the full range of their capabilities, etc.?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:40 pm to Choupique19
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Jay will figure it out. You mentioned earlier in this thread about hoping Jay doesn’t lose sight that we need a few Louisiana kids in that lineup. I think Jay is well aware (and I know Skip used to always talk about it so I know the two have discussed it) that guys like Beloso, Jobert, Milazzo, and Pearson may not end up with long professional baseball careers but they have grown up their entire lives wanting to win a national title for LSU. Those are the kids that can push you across the finish line.
While I agree that he knew it “intellectually,” I think him actually seeing it in person cemented it. We knew how Dugas was a gamer, but I don’t think anybody would argue that Jay wasn’t all that in love with him when he got there. Likely didn’t really appreciate what he brought until this year when he forced his way into the lineup and didn’t leave.
I just remember an interview I heard him do earlier this year when Garrett Edwards had emerged as the best high leverage guy in the pen. He said all he had heard since he’d gotten here is how good he was, but he’d never seen it. Said he had a tough conversation with him either at the end of fall or maybe even in January, and he told Garrett that he didn’t have a guaranteed spot on the team. He had to go show it in the next few intra-squads. Said he did and Jay was super happy for him and the team that he did. But he was literally a couple of short outings away from having not been a part of this team.
I guess, even though I said I trust Jay—and I do—and these are potential pitfalls for every coach in 2023, I think he’s a bit more cut throat and willing to make hard, non-emotional decisions than other coaches might. So falling in that trap may be easier for him. Or may have been. All the program guys you listed and more likely prevented that, though. It was great for them—and Jay— to see them step up and perform maybe over their heads talent-wise en route to a national championship.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:06 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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And you think it took a coaching staff capable of winning a national title the entire regular season to figure that out? Or is it more reasonable to assume that they pitched a specific way during the regular season to stretch them, improve their repertoire, learn the full range of their capabilities, etc.?
I think you oversimplify it when you say “they were just getting them ready for the postseason”.
The coaches were not purposely trying to put the pitching staff in positions where they couldn’t succeed. I don’t buy that we blew two games in a row to last place Miss State with the SEC title in grasp just to “hold auditions for the postseason”.
The coaching staff made adjustments after that weekend, and I applaud them for it. The coaching staff did a great job of in season “self evaluation”.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:09 pm to Hot Carl
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We knew how Dugas was a gamer, but I don’t think anybody would argue that Jay wasn’t all that in love with him when he got there. Likely didn’t really appreciate what he brought until this year when he forced his way into the lineup and didn’t leave.
Yep. Jay didn’t seem to high on Dugas to start last season and we know he wasn’t in the starting lineup to start this season.
But Dugas deserves so much credit for sticking it out and EARNING his way on the field. He became so vital, Jay rushed him back and left him in the lineup even when he was obviously playing at about 80%.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:13 pm to Naptime
Unfortunately I think it does the opposite. They want to strike while the iron is hot.
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