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re: Does BH Starting Day 1 = 4 Losses?

Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:30 am to
Posted by euquol
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2012
2736 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:30 am to
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Would have lost to Wisconsin,Au, MSU and at least one of Bama/Arky.
Maybe Fla as well


I can understand Wisconsin, Auburn, and even the others except for Moo State. He almost single handedly brought us back from the depths of hell to beat Moo State.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:03 am to
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Does BH Starting Day 1 = 4 Losses?


In all honesty, I am not sure it would have made any difference. Changing quarterbacks at LSU would have been like changing the propellers on the Titanic. Sure they might have driven the ship more effciently, but as long as the captain was insane and incompetent, they were still going to hit an iceberg no matter what.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 2:06 am
Posted by rjlsu985
Slidell, la
Member since Apr 2012
130 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 5:39 am to
Actually thinking we would've only loss 2 so far isn't being close minded. Maybe Wisconsin game we lose being that's BH first start and he more than likely wasn't ready quite yet. If BH plays the whole game against MS ST then judging his body of work later in that game what would lead you to believe he wouldn't have had success early on in that game.The auburn game would've been a definite loss, it just wasn't our night. And the rest of the games BH could be no worse than Jennings. We were in those games despite Jennings and not because of him.
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:02 am to
I say 3 losses but really maybe 2
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:03 am to
It would not be more. Jennings has not been significant in any of the wins
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:44 am to
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Does BH Starting Day 1 = 4 Losses?

Perhaps. Maybe 5. Starting a freshman in the SEC is always a threat to be fraught with danger.

Alas, playing it "safe" never really had a chance of improving those odds because "safe" really equaled "planned failure".

While there MIGHT have been hope that BH would get better as the year went along, AJ is clearly a VERY limited talent.

It's like the difference between having two baseball pitchers. One throws 95mph but can't find the plate. The other has control but throws it 65mph.

You KNOW the 65 guy is gonna get shelled. That aint gonna change with time. At least the 95 guy might finally start finding the plate with experience.
Posted by cj2002
louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2027 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:44 am to
I believe you are asking the wrong question.

What is the difference if we finish last in the west or 2nd to last.

The key point here is: The more talented qb that can take you into the future with a chance to win meaningful games is BH.

Therefore, the experience of this year is priceless.

However, because of bad decisions by this staff we have just the opposite.

From the qb position, the 15 year will be much the same. The more talented qb still has little game experience, so what now? BH gets limited playing time next season, because if BH gets all the reps then miles looks like an idiot for not playing him in 14.
Posted by Cracking
Northshore
Member since Aug 2006
3431 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:57 am to
He probably loses to Wisky in game 1 because he was obviously not ready to run the offense (despite the poor play calling for his only series) he just wasn't ready. However, He should have gotten a lot more time under center early in that game and increasing time going forward. His skill set is undeniable when watching the end of MSU and NMSU, but his grasp on the offense and comfort under center is progressing slowly. You could argue that Jennings has the same problem, but is just slightly more experienced under center and doesn't get as confused with the play selection (language or checks?). I think Harris could've contributed some to the offense against Bama/Ole Miss and definitely Arkansas, but I don't think he has demonstrated that he should start.

As with all young and talented QBs they should have a package that they've perfected, and should come into the game for small stretches as a change of pace... just like the RB substitution practice that Miles uses. Think Chris Leak and Tim Tebow. Then they should play for about a quarter in games that are in hand by the 3rd quarter, like Kentucky and the cupcakes. This is the most baffling thing about Miles to me, his lack of concern for live snaps for young QBs, but his insistence that young players get time at EVERY other position.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:07 am to
Probably so, but LSU should start home vs A&M and the bowl game to see how he responds
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 9:09 am to
I am inclined to agree, but of course there is no way to know.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:13 am to
depends the play calls and offense scheme. In THIS offense, he loses 5 games. But put Harris in a shotgun/pistol pro style offense with 2-3 WR's and open it up a little, with a little misdirection, man in motion, and we are probably undefeated (if it was all implemented in the spring). HaRRIS COMBINED WITH a little CREATIVEITY and IMAGINATION in the scheme and play calls and there is no limit to what this team could have achieved. (same is basically true with Jennings)
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:31 am to
The point about starting in spring is spot on. The coaches made the call to put AJ as first string during spring and it is really obvious the kid doesn't have SEC Talent. As such, they built an offense designed to hide him as much as possible. Basically, it amounted to planned failure.
Posted by Ironhead985
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
8727 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 10:37 am to
I think we lose 5 or 6 with BH as the starter. However, I think we'd be trending upwards towards next season instead of having to go through this shite show again then.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20364 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:11 am to
quote:

If he gets all the reps from Day 1 and starts the season, would we currently be saddled with 4 losses?
I think we lose more.

Jennings may not be "as talented", but he's definitely got a much better rhythm with Dural. Jennings-to-Dural deep was what saved us against Wisconsin and Florida, so I'd say we lose both those. We still lose to Miss St (who would have just kept shoving the ball up our nose instead of easing off at the end) and Auburn. We still lose to Arkansas, and at least one of the Ole Miss/Alabama games.

Miles made the correct decision; this season was not going to be a championship year with either QB, so we played the guy who gave us the best shot at bowl eligibility. People might laugh at minor bowls, but the extra month of practice is worth more to a kid like Harris than early playing time. That's how you keep your program stable.
Posted by NotRight37
Nashville, TN
Member since Jul 2014
5843 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 11:50 am to
We will never know, having said that I have a sneaky suspicion LSU would have been within one game record wise of where they are now. However, I would have liked to seen Harris get more chances to this point. Again, he might have played poorly, but then at least the staff tried something different.

In retrospect, the level of QB play is not at an SEC level. Talent evaluation, development, bad luck, recruiting mistakes...it really doesn't matter, the situation is a bit ominous going forward. Harris has to step up or LSU is in trouble for the next two years.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 11:52 am
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20364 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:42 pm to
Despite current popular opinion, Miles is not stupid. I trust that he knows what he's doing. Objectively, here's my best guess at that:

Harris is the better physical talent in terms of making a play, but he's way behind in terms of understanding the offense conceptually. In addition, he's pretty frail physically in comparison to Jennings.

Miles' job is not dependent on any one season. He'd like wins, but he wants to develop a superior team that can be dominant, not just compete in single games.

Those two factors point to starting Jennings this season. Harris is able to practice and learn the entire offense, as compared to learning an individual game plan. Once he understands the intent and philosophy, he'll be a lot better at executing the offense. He should be able to see what WR is open based on pre-snap reads, instead of relying on his mobility to extend the play and allow someone to uncover. He'll also have the opportunity to get bigger and stronger.

This season, for lack of a better term, was a wash from the beginning, a transition. It was never going to be a championship run. Why risk screwing up your best QB prospect by shoving a gameplan into his head before he knows the playbook, when ultimately, you'd still have the same result (a mid-level bowl)? Hell, if Rivers had stayed, I honestly think Harris would have redshirted this season; he played only due to depth issues.
Posted by 11thACR
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Mar 2012
1652 posts
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:57 pm to
YEP...at Least 4 and counting....
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