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re: Do you think LSU has seriously underachieved?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:45 am to toughcrittercrumb
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:45 am to toughcrittercrumb
The record says no. Considering LSU achieved the amount of success it did with basically a 3rd and 4th string QB for 4 years I would say they overachieved.
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Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:46 am to toughcrittercrumb
I believe that with a decent/competent QB then we would have won the championship in 2011 and 2010.
We would have won at least 2 more games in 2008 despite our defense and we would have won one more game in 2009.
We would have won at least 2 more games in 2008 despite our defense and we would have won one more game in 2009.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:55 am to DIGGY
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If anyone thinks Miles is on par with Saban and we are equal talent wise with BAMA, then yes the program has underachieved because they are finding ways to win BCS titles and we are not.
While I think I understand the point you're trying to make, it deserves mentioning that only one team a year can win the title.
The question I would ask is, would people say LSU is underachieving if they had beat Bama in the rematch.
For me, if that one loss being a win means they haven't underachieved, then the loss being a loss doesn't make a huge difference.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:59 am to brewhan davey
Man, people are really overlooking the simple truth. The majority of the SECr and opposing SEC schools are just jealous of the success that LSU has had. They resort to trolling our fans (which, given the average intelligence of the Rant, isn't hard to do), and it results in a small victory for them. Acknowledge the troll job, don't show your temper, and realize that our team is in an elite class among the rest of the country.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:02 am to DIGGY
2011 NC changed the perception.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:12 am to toughcrittercrumb
I have no opinion on the underachieving question since there are so many known and unknown variables at play here that when making that particular determination none of us are qualified to render a truly informed opinion.
I would inject that record alone is not the end all indicator you might believe it to be.
24-4 can be used both ways depending on whether or not LSU put more talent on the field in all 28 of those games or if the they were overmatched talent wise in any number of them.
I would inject that record alone is not the end all indicator you might believe it to be.
24-4 can be used both ways depending on whether or not LSU put more talent on the field in all 28 of those games or if the they were overmatched talent wise in any number of them.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:18 am to 3xlsugrad
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went 4 years without a competent qb.
whose fault is that?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:18 am to tubucoco
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Nah. Everything fine. Losing chances at back to back titles and givin it away to Bama is normal. Also, playin at a level to lose to a Clemson is normal too.
Excellent point. Good teams never lose, even to good teams?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:20 am to toughcrittercrumb
No...I think the overachieved/underachieved labels are relative to expectations conjured up in the minds of fans....nothing more. If fans and media were more realistic about how difficult it is to have a decent season, there would be a lot less of that talk.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:20 am to 3xlsugrad
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Extremely unlikely that all of the players are incompetent.
But all of the coaches are?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:22 am to toughcrittercrumb
Somehow losing to teams with equal to better talent is underachieving.
in the last three years we have had 6 loses, 3 were against the eventual national champions, 2 more were against BCS bowl bound teams. We have lost 1 game in 3 years to a team that didn't play in a BCS bowl. and we lost that game by 1 point.
in the last three years we have had 6 loses, 3 were against the eventual national champions, 2 more were against BCS bowl bound teams. We have lost 1 game in 3 years to a team that didn't play in a BCS bowl. and we lost that game by 1 point.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:24 am to SammyTiger
Dammit, Sammy you introduced logic into this thread.
That will never do. Prepare to be blasted.
That will never do. Prepare to be blasted.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:29 am to Spankum
Comparing our success to Bama isn't really fair either. If you gave Bama, UF/USC in 2012 then maybe they don't win it all in 2012.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:33 am to toughcrittercrumb
LSU has been one of the winningnest programs in the country under Miles, while also playing one of the most difficult schedules in the nation year in year out. If you think that's underachieving, then I really don't know what to tell you. LSU is one of the top 5 most successful programs in the nation under Miles.
Also, let's look at the talent levels. In 2011, LSU has ONE preseason All-SEC 1st team player. One. After an undefeated season, the media re-adjusted their picks and placed four Tigers on the All-SEC 1st team or, looked at another way, the SAME NUMBER OF PLAYERS THAT BAMA HAD ON THE ALL-AMERICA TEAM. If any team is just "winning on talent", it is Bama. LSU has been immensely talented, but Bama has been on another level from everybody.
Also, look at how whiffing on a QB has tanked even the best programs. The fact LSU has been able to compete for titles while missing on the QB position has been nothing short of amazing. No one else in the country has been able to have the same kind of success with LSU's level of QB play.
Miles has been at LSU for eight years. He's only had one season that could be construed as "bad", and he still won 8 games.
Also, let's look at the talent levels. In 2011, LSU has ONE preseason All-SEC 1st team player. One. After an undefeated season, the media re-adjusted their picks and placed four Tigers on the All-SEC 1st team or, looked at another way, the SAME NUMBER OF PLAYERS THAT BAMA HAD ON THE ALL-AMERICA TEAM. If any team is just "winning on talent", it is Bama. LSU has been immensely talented, but Bama has been on another level from everybody.
Also, look at how whiffing on a QB has tanked even the best programs. The fact LSU has been able to compete for titles while missing on the QB position has been nothing short of amazing. No one else in the country has been able to have the same kind of success with LSU's level of QB play.
Miles has been at LSU for eight years. He's only had one season that could be construed as "bad", and he still won 8 games.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:39 am to Gray Tiger
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But all of the coaches are?
Right. Because going through 4 OCs during that stretch really proves your point
Dumbass
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:41 am to toughcrittercrumb
Let me see, LSU showed up for a National Championship game, totally unprepared. Then last year, they dominated the same team and our head coach got caught up it the moment when the female reporter asked him if we would see the Hat today. And the Hat showed up and blew the win trying to be cute. Les is great at some things. Not so good at others. The other coaches see the talent and the facilities and say, he hasn't utilized his advantage. Not counting the time management and other brain farts!
Posted on 8/4/13 at 11:42 am to toughcrittercrumb
I don't think we have lived up to expectations, but that happens.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 12:25 pm to sunnydaze
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whose fault is that?
It's mine. I'm sorry.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 12:33 pm to rickyh
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Let me see, LSU showed up for a National Championship game, totally unprepared
How exactly do you know how much or little Miles prepared for the game. Were you in any of the planning/practice sessions?
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Les is great at some things. Not so good at others.
Pure brilliance. Let me guess, there is some other coach that you adore that isn't? Hmmmmmmmmm quote:
he other coaches see the talent and the facilities and say, he hasn't utilized his advantage
And wish they could "underachieve" at the same level that Les has.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 12:50 pm to rickyh
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The other coaches see the talent and the facilities and say, he hasn't utilized his advantage.
Link?
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