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Decision for LSU administration and fan base boils down to one of two options:
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:23 am
Do you want a person who is a caring, honorable, decent man above all else, but only above average as a coach; or do you want an egomaniac, with no regard for the aspects of day to day living, whose only credo is win at all costs, no matter how many rogue coaches it takes to do so (Lane Kiffin and Lance Thompson come to mind).
While winning championships is ideal, after the Sid Ortis story, I'll take the damn fine man who truly values the importance of life. I can accept his deficiencies as a head coach. Alabama and their arrogant fan base deserve Saban.
While winning championships is ideal, after the Sid Ortis story, I'll take the damn fine man who truly values the importance of life. I can accept his deficiencies as a head coach. Alabama and their arrogant fan base deserve Saban.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:24 am to PayLesLess
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or do you want an egomaniac, with no regard for the aspects of day to day living, whose only credo is win at all costs, no matter how many rogue coaches it takes to do so
Who do you have in mind?
Eta; didn't read your whole post. Miles is a great man
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:26 am to PayLesLess
I was under the impression he was being paid 4mil to win championships,silly me
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:26 am to PayLesLess
It is not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:26 am to PayLesLess
I just want the offense to be better at doing offense things, ya know.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:27 am to PayLesLess
I was going to reply to this, but I know it would be a waste of time I'll just sit here and laugh instead.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:28 am to PayLesLess
No one can ever say Les isn't a great human being. Problem is he's not being paid to be a great human being. He's being paid to win football games. It's that simple really.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:29 am to PayLesLess
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Decision for LSU administration
please stop this madness
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:30 am to MightyYat
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Problem is he's not being paid to be a great human being. He's being paid to win football games
and he's the winningest coach in school history and will have the LSU win record before he leaves.
that's what he's getting paid for
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:30 am to FightinTiga
Paid 4 mill and we have to pay 2 coordinators over a mill bc the head coach isn't a specialist on either side. I like Les very much, but I don't see the value in him, cam, and Steele.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:31 am to Riseupfromtherubble
How about coming up with a game plan different than the last 6 times you have played Bama. And how about making some in game and halftime adjustments. Don't have to be a win at all cost, egomanic to do this. HS coaches do it, so why can't Les. It's called coaching!
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:32 am to PayLesLess
Sobwhybdid this "great" person hold us hostage for more money using ducking Arkansas as his threat?
But he did and in return, our expectations were raised as well!
Hell, Dinardo (i think), mad all players attend mass. He was a good man, but we canned him.
Big time jobs come with big time expectations.
These continued failures against Bama is the issue. If you lose to your division rival, constantly, and show no desire to evolve your plan, that is very very alarming and a bad sign, imo
But he did and in return, our expectations were raised as well!
Hell, Dinardo (i think), mad all players attend mass. He was a good man, but we canned him.
Big time jobs come with big time expectations.
These continued failures against Bama is the issue. If you lose to your division rival, constantly, and show no desire to evolve your plan, that is very very alarming and a bad sign, imo
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:33 am to Choctaw
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and he's the winningest coach in school history and will have the LSU win record before he leaves.
that's what he's getting paid for
I only said that because his character as a human being shouldn't really play any factor in his job security.
It's tough to argue with these results:
8-5
10-3
10-3
13-1
11-2
9-4
8-5
12-2
11-2
11-2
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:33 am to PayLesLess
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I'll take the damn fine man who truly values the importance of life. I can accept his deficiencies as a head coach. Alabama and their arrogant fan base deserve Saban.
If this is ALL that matters then why all the bitching and complaining about the results from Saturday night??
If Alabama deserves Saban then they also deserves all the championships they are winning as well.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:35 am to PayLesLess
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after the Sid Ortis story, I'll take the damn fine man who truly values the importance of life
What does this mean? That Saban is so cold-hearted he wouldn't have given a dying child who was a Bama fan the time of day? If so, I reject your premise. In fact, it's hard for me to imagine any coach in America not doing the same thing. Not saying Les isn't a helluva guy, but let's not lionize him over this.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:35 am to easy money
Nailed it. We aren't getting value out of the pay for Miles and his staff. Still not sure why LSU pays big money for an OC to run a Les Miles running game.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:36 am to Choctaw
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and he's the winningest coach in school history and will have the LSU win record before he leaves.
And his legacy will be that he couldn't be Bama. No one will care about all the victories over the Eastern Michigan's of the world that padded is W-L record.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:38 am to PayLesLess
I'm good with what we have. Miles is a great man away from the game, I don't think anyone can contest that. What seems to be lost is that while he is not the best (Saban is), he's absolutely the equal to anyone else in CFB. He has this team in position for a 10 win season, with 11 games on the schedule (we should be favored to win out). In other words, in the 10 years that Miles has been here, he has been able to win a BCS title, multiple SEC West and SEC titles, and his down-points have been 8 win seasons. He's thus far been able to rebuild the team following those seasons into 10+ game winners, and he's on the way to doing so again.
The first 8 game pit was 2008, with Lee and Jefferson being freshmen. We hated the QB situation with that group, but he took those guys and by the time they were seniors he made them into an undefeated SEC champ. The next 8 game pit was 2014, with Harris and Fournette being freshman. They are now sophs, and could win 10 this season. We have 1-2 years of at least 1 (Fournette may be interesting if he absolutely wants a title).
The ONLY thing people can whine about is the lack of a national title in that stretch. Everything else, objectively, is great.
The first 8 game pit was 2008, with Lee and Jefferson being freshmen. We hated the QB situation with that group, but he took those guys and by the time they were seniors he made them into an undefeated SEC champ. The next 8 game pit was 2014, with Harris and Fournette being freshman. They are now sophs, and could win 10 this season. We have 1-2 years of at least 1 (Fournette may be interesting if he absolutely wants a title).
The ONLY thing people can whine about is the lack of a national title in that stretch. Everything else, objectively, is great.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:38 am to Skillet
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And his legacy will be that he couldn't be Bama.
only to the morons on this board....even after he wins another conference and national title
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No one will care about all the victories over the Eastern Michigan's of the world that padded is W-L record.
you're stupid
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:39 am to Choctaw
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he's the winningest coach in school history
Charlie Mac couldn't beat BAMA either and LSU retired him.
Miles’ 103 wins at LSU ranks him behind only Charles McClendon, who won 137 games in 18 years with the Tigers. Miles is also the only coach in LSU history to beat Auburn, Florida and Alabama in same season - and he’s done it now three times – and in 2005, he became the only first-year coach in SEC history to lead a team to the league’s title game.
This is from Miles' bio. LINK
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