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Dandy Don had an interesting stat today.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:47 am
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:47 am
Last years team had 71 penalties. However the 2007 team (n.c. team) had 83 and the 2003 (n.c. team) had 102.
1) I think it shows more or less penalties doesn't affect winning.
2) Many have debated the penalties demonstrate a lack of discipline by the coach. I think this stat show's it doesn't really matter who the coach was/is as for as penalties are concerned.
3) I find it interesting that the prior coach has had less penalties every year at his current university than at lsu. I think it supports the theory that his current university receives the benefit of friendly officiating. same coach, just different schools.
1) I think it shows more or less penalties doesn't affect winning.
2) Many have debated the penalties demonstrate a lack of discipline by the coach. I think this stat show's it doesn't really matter who the coach was/is as for as penalties are concerned.
3) I find it interesting that the prior coach has had less penalties every year at his current university than at lsu. I think it supports the theory that his current university receives the benefit of friendly officiating. same coach, just different schools.
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:50 am to dos crystal
It really all depends on the timing and severity of the penalty
A Rahem Alem punt on a 3rd down stop that gives Arky a 1st down sucks
A false start on 3rd and 1 sucks
A Rahem Alem punt on a 3rd down stop that gives Arky a 1st down sucks
A false start on 3rd and 1 sucks
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:53 am to dos crystal
Agree with what you are saying. Think it says more that the entire season is a crapshoot anyway. If we didn't have one penalty in a crucial moment of the biggest game of the season, we had a great chance of going 10-3 or 11-2. (Ark would have seen a more hyped team and better bowl with different opponent could have gone either way.)
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:57 am to dos crystal
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) I think it shows more or less penalties doesn't affect winning.
Its when the penalty occurs.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:03 am to dos crystal
Offense probably couldn't sustain enough drives, and the defense was too busy having the ball driven down their throats for the offense to get as many penalties.
During one of those championship season, the team had a disproportionately high number of penalties against two jv opponents.
During one of those championship season, the team had a disproportionately high number of penalties against two jv opponents.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:20 am to Mr. Wayne
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If we didn't have one penalty in a crucial moment of the biggest game of the season, we had a great chance of going 10-3 or 11-2.
I get that. However, when you look at THAT PENALTY. It can and should be argued, why was it thrown on Vadal only? It equally could have been thrown on the Alabama guy who actually started it. The proper call would have been to either keep the flag in the pocket or flag both parties. So, it really wasn't one coaches player showing more discipline than the other coaches player. It was a Ref's decision to single out one behavior and not the other.
The flip of this is when LSU was flagged for trying to block a fg, which was missed by Au, and getting a redo for the only time that call was made that year to win the game. The ref chose that time to call the penalty rather than the coaches discipline/teaching of the player.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 9:23 am
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:24 am to dos crystal
not that i disagree with anything the OP said but would be interested in % over number. as in i wonder what the total play number averages are for teams now and how they compare to the average number of plays in a game in 2007. also 2007 played an extra game vs last yr's team.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:34 am to TDTGodfather
More aggressive defenses and/or team will incur more penalties.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:47 am to dos crystal
I know the NFL isn't always directly comparable to NCAA, but the Seahawks had the most penalties in the NFL the last two years, and they made the super bowl both times and won it once.
It's probably necessary to look at the specific types of penalties to get a fuller picture. A team having a ton of false start penalties might really be an indicator of lack of discipline. But if a team gets called for pass interference a lot, that might be a sign of bad a defense that can't defend cleanly, or it might be the sign of a good aggressive defense that can cover well, create lots of turnovers, and is willing to accept a few extra penalties as a necessary consequence of that style of defense.
It's probably necessary to look at the specific types of penalties to get a fuller picture. A team having a ton of false start penalties might really be an indicator of lack of discipline. But if a team gets called for pass interference a lot, that might be a sign of bad a defense that can't defend cleanly, or it might be the sign of a good aggressive defense that can cover well, create lots of turnovers, and is willing to accept a few extra penalties as a necessary consequence of that style of defense.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:49 am to mylsuhat
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A Rahem Alem punt on a 3rd down stop that gives Arky a 1st down sucks
Forgot about him.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:55 am to dos crystal
More penalties = more aggressive play
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:00 am to dos crystal
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3) I find it interesting that the prior coach has had less penalties every year at his current university than at lsu. I think it supports the theory that his current university receives the benefit of friendly officiating. same coach, just different schools.
I ran the numbers once...while at LSU, Nick Saban's teams where more penalized than BAMA's every season. Once at BAMA, Saban's new teams were still penalized less than LSU to an almost exact amount.
Nothing to do with the coach...just the colors it seems. Just part and parcel of doing business in the SEC, I'm afraid...
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:00 am to dos crystal
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I find it interesting that the prior coach has had less penalties every year at his current university than at lsu. I think it supports the theory that his current university receives the benefit of friendly officiating. same coach, just different schools.
Took words right out from my speaker system.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:06 am to dos crystal
Penalties give the drooling morons a talking point to bitch about the Coach running an undisciplined team.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:11 am to dos crystal
I recall when FSU won it all in 94, they were the most penalized team. I look at it as correlated with agressiveness. 2003 was a blitz happy agressive defense. Off sides and late hits gonna happen.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:14 am to dos crystal
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Dandy Don
You mean Subpar Scott?
I know, I know, he's okay. I just miss the old man!
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:45 pm to dos crystal
I remember the 07 team had a horrible time learning how to line up correctly. Seems like we had 2 of those every game including one in the Arky game that took away a TD I believe.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:06 pm to oreeg
When you're making up that penalties with solid QB play getting chunks of big yardage at a time you can be fine.
When you can't complete 65% of your passes you're going to struggle.
When you can't complete 65% of your passes you're going to struggle.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:20 pm to dos crystal
Im suprised the 2007 team was so low. They always struck me as very undisciplined.
There are 2 types of penalties though:
aggressive penalties like pass interference, and then there are stupid penalties like false starts, delay of game, unsportsmanlike conduct.
I think stats of those 2 types would be more telling.
There are 2 types of penalties though:
aggressive penalties like pass interference, and then there are stupid penalties like false starts, delay of game, unsportsmanlike conduct.
I think stats of those 2 types would be more telling.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:43 pm to dos crystal
A 15 yard penalty for a soccer style fig flop on the goal line with the game in hand hurts bad.
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