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Dale JJ comparisons
Posted on 2/21/16 at 8:56 am
Posted on 2/21/16 at 8:56 am
While neither of them are an X's and O's genious, there is something that sets them apart. Dale coached up team cohesion. JJ apparently does not. With Dale you would see improvement throughout the season. You might would see him get out-coached by really good coaches who had high level talent teams at tournament time, but you also saw his teams play together and bring down other teams that were supposed to be superior. In my book that is pretty good coaching. JJ, and Trent's teams do not have a plan. They are always out there just playing playground ball. They start the season and go about halfway through playing competitively for the most part and appear to fade down the stretch of the season. It's not really so much that LSU regresses. It is that we stagnate while other teams make progress. That is poor coaching.
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Posted on 2/21/16 at 10:19 am to sonuvapitcher
I'm definitely not one of the Dale guys here, but I will say they are and always have been totally different coaches in style and manner.
Dale was willing to delegate coaching responsibilities to his assistants. His interests were many and varied outside basketball and I also think he was definitely ADD or ADHD whatever you call it and was not able to focus on the little details so he allowed his assistants a lot of responsibility.
I see Jones as being very hands on, and not delegating much. He has hired some good assistants but I have heard said from those close to the program that at times some of those assistants have been frustrated by the lack of input they are allowed.
And I think motivation/accountability, whatever you want to call it, for all of Dale's faults he was definitely better at that than CJJ and if fact IMHO it is Johnny's biggest weakness.
Dale was willing to delegate coaching responsibilities to his assistants. His interests were many and varied outside basketball and I also think he was definitely ADD or ADHD whatever you call it and was not able to focus on the little details so he allowed his assistants a lot of responsibility.
I see Jones as being very hands on, and not delegating much. He has hired some good assistants but I have heard said from those close to the program that at times some of those assistants have been frustrated by the lack of input they are allowed.
And I think motivation/accountability, whatever you want to call it, for all of Dale's faults he was definitely better at that than CJJ and if fact IMHO it is Johnny's biggest weakness.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 10:25 am to Tiger Ugly
quote:and if you don't kniw x's and o'seither than wow! Talk about a complete lack of ability. But I agree, he cannot strategize nor can he motivate. How bad would he be if he couldn't recruit? He really is pretty awful.
And I think motivation/accountability, whatever you want to call it, for all of Dale's faults he was definitely better at that than CJJ and if fact IMHO it is Johnny's biggest weakness.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 10:28 am to Tiger Ugly
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I see Jones as being very hands on, and not delegating much. He has hired some good assistants but I have heard said from those close to the program that at times some of those assistants have been frustrated by the lack of input they are allowed.
If he's doing this, then he has no one to blame but himself when he's looking for a job again. I can understand a "great" coach taking a more active role, but even great coaches let their coaches teach and help influence the team.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 10:40 am to sonuvapitcher
In 25 years prior to Brown, LSU won 288 games and had been to only 2 NCAA Tournaments. During his 25 years, LSU won 448 games and appeared in 13 NCAA Tournaments.
He took his reams to 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, and a Sweet Sixteen.
And LSU fans use him as an example of failure. You gotta love this fricking place.
He took his reams to 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, and a Sweet Sixteen.
And LSU fans use him as an example of failure. You gotta love this fricking place.
This post was edited on 2/21/16 at 10:41 am
Posted on 2/21/16 at 11:54 am to 911Moto
quote:your use of failure is exaggeration. But he is rightly viewed as an underachiever for the talent he had and don't forget he left the program in shambles.
And LSU fans use him as an example of failure.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 12:06 pm to airfernando
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as an underachiever for the talent he had and don't forget he left the program in shambles.
I don't disagree that Coach Brown left things in a bad state with the Lester Earl debacle, but the '86 Final Four team greatly over achieved.
I saw many of Coach Brown's teams up close, talented and not so talented, and the biggest difference I remember in comparing his teams to Coach Joes' teams is defense. Dale's teams rarely played poor defense. Contrast that to Jones' teams where the ball is routinely dribbled to the front of the rim game in and game out even when they play zone.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 12:21 pm to roscoe mike
Brown's overall record was one attracting some of the best talent anywhere over a long period of time and underachieving with it.
His courtside coaching abilities were at time embarrassing, BUT he was willing to delegate at times (Tex Winter).
The game is more competitive now, and signing a kid may get you only a year or two of his talent (instead of four), so coaching is at a premium in today's game.
His courtside coaching abilities were at time embarrassing, BUT he was willing to delegate at times (Tex Winter).
The game is more competitive now, and signing a kid may get you only a year or two of his talent (instead of four), so coaching is at a premium in today's game.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 12:35 pm to sonuvapitcher
oh another rehash of the Dale couldn't coach blah blah blah....perhaps looking at the program he inherited and the mindset of the University and the public toward basketball you might form a different opinion. Those crowds cam to see PPM--not to watch LSU basketball.
To win the way he won --with minimal overall team talent--in most seasons requires something beyond being a good motivator. The thing about DB was though he wanted to win, he wanted to use his program to also give kids an opportunity in life.
There is no comparing the coaching ability/success between the two.
To win the way he won --with minimal overall team talent--in most seasons requires something beyond being a good motivator. The thing about DB was though he wanted to win, he wanted to use his program to also give kids an opportunity in life.
There is no comparing the coaching ability/success between the two.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 12:36 pm to 911Moto
911 Motto
I agree with all your post about LSU Basketball and Dale Brown.
It's bad that anyone compares the two.
Who beat Kentucky the most in Rupp Arena?
Remember other teams had great talent as well that stayed 4 years.
Michigan, Duke, UNLV, Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana, G Tech, etc.
We had to go through these schools and only 1 on that list is a football school, Michigan.
I agree with all your post about LSU Basketball and Dale Brown.
It's bad that anyone compares the two.
Who beat Kentucky the most in Rupp Arena?
Remember other teams had great talent as well that stayed 4 years.
Michigan, Duke, UNLV, Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana, G Tech, etc.
We had to go through these schools and only 1 on that list is a football school, Michigan.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 12:38 pm to sonuvapitcher
No Comparison , outside of the label "LSU Head Coach"
Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:42 pm to nitwit
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Brown's overall record was one attracting some of the best talent anywhere over a long period of time and underachieving with i
This might be the most inaccurate post I've ever read on the internet. Not just here. Anywhere.
It's not hard to see that the overwhelming majority of people who are critical of Dale Brown were not alive during most of Brown's tenure.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 1:45 pm to airfernando
Merrriam Webster definition of comparison: the act of looking at things to see how they are similar or different.
I don't see how some of you thought I was describing Dale Brown as a failure. I loved Dale as a coach and still do. He is why we are disappointed today. He set the bar for LSU Basketball. I actually said he was a good coach. I did describe JJ as a poor coach. I simply picked one aspect, cohesion/teamwork, that I see/don't see consistently throughout their teams that they put on the floor. I saw it with Dale and don't with JJ.
I don't see how some of you thought I was describing Dale Brown as a failure. I loved Dale as a coach and still do. He is why we are disappointed today. He set the bar for LSU Basketball. I actually said he was a good coach. I did describe JJ as a poor coach. I simply picked one aspect, cohesion/teamwork, that I see/don't see consistently throughout their teams that they put on the floor. I saw it with Dale and don't with JJ.
Posted on 2/21/16 at 2:47 pm to sonuvapitcher
Dale had Art Tolis, that made up for everything else.
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