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Critiquing the 2017-2018 LSU Football Team (Offseason Edition)

Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Wind
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:55 pm
This entire thing is really long. Do not read it. Just go straight to the comments and write "TLDR".

Trigger Warning: Some of my opinions may seem critical of the football team. They are. If you can't stand any comment that suggest LSU is anything less than perfect, don't read any further. You will be triggered.



Canada is supposed to fix everything with his new scheme, but we have a lot of weak links on the offensive side of the ball.



QB:
Grade = D+

This gets discussed every year to oblivion so I won't touch on it here. Everyone knows we're going to stink at the quarterback position until we don't.



Here is Etling in 2016 compared side-by-side with Harris from 2015. We need significant improvement at this position.



WR:
Grade = C-

Chark is the returning "star" here with 466 yards and 3 touchdowns on 26 catches. Everyone else is a complete unknown. Couple that with the issues at Quarterback, don't expect a lot from this group.



OL:
Grade = C+

Lost a lot of talent over these last few years. Still hurting for a 1st-RD level talent at either tackle since Collins left. The inside looks strong unless Clapp goes down at center (injury history). The offensive line issues will only highlight the bad quarterback play and inexperienced receiver corps.



RB:
Grade= B+

Guice will win the Heisman. Okay, so probably not, but all indications are that Guice will have an All-American type season. We all hope he stays healthy, as the depth behind him is suspect. Brossette could be in for a great year backing up Guice.



TE:
Grade: Incomplete

No grade for this position group until we have a better idea of how Canada intends to use them. If we were grading on production and talent alone, this group compares most closely to the wide receiver corps.



Dave Aranda is our defensive mastermind and Tiger Rant Golden boy, but he is replacing an incredible amount of talent on this side of the ball.



Defensive (Nose) Tackle:
Grade= B

Ed Alexander is another fan favorite here on the rant.
As far as anyone can tell, Gilmore is still the starter here. Shelvin looks talented (and massive) but will have to work hard to make the grades and even harder to see the field. Not a ton of depth, but a lot of talent.



Defensive End :

Grade = A -

Absolutely fantastic depth here on the outside defensive line spots. The only "star power" you really see is a guy like Rashard Lawrence, who I think will have a dominating year if he stays healthy. Outside of that, this position goes about 8 players deep who could see action in games this year for LSU.



Inside Linebacker:

Grade = A

No returning starters at this position, but the future looks bright with an absolute monster in running back turned middle linebacker Devin White.

His backup will be Alexander, another senior who has long awaited their turn in line in the mold of Jones and Riley before him.

Sprinkle in a trio of talented freshman linebackers,a five star talent who can play both inside and out in Divinity and position coach Dave Aranda and you have a position group that could wind up being one of the best in LSU History come 2018.



Outside Linebacker:

Grade = B

It was tough to give a position group with a guy like Arden Key, who has the talent to be the #1 overall pick in the 2018 draft, anything less than A.

But outside of Key, this group is dominated by converted defensive backs and (redshirt) freshman who have played little to no snaps for the Tigers.

Unless K'Lavon Chaisson comes in and has an immediately impact, or guys like Sci Martin and Andre Anthony step up and stay healthy, the depth at this group might be in trouble.



Corner:

Grade = B +

I expect Tolliver to have a great Junior season and head on to the NFL.

I have concerns that Jackson never seemed to learn to get his head around and had a couple of break downs last year that cost us big in games.

The talent is there behind him if he struggles, but that talent is unproven.

If Jackson struggles, can the young guys behind him step up? If Tolliver struggles with injuries again, is there someone on the roster ready to be the #1 corner?




Safety:

Grade = A -

I imagine Paris and Battle get the starting nod at both safety spots this year. Talented guys who have waited their respective turns.

The talent behind them, however, is unreal, with Grant Delpit and Jacoby Stevens both looking like they can come in and start right away, with a hungry Harris behind them.

Aranda and Raymond will have to get creative and find a way to get some of these talented young safeties on the field together.

This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 1:32 pm
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:04 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 6:42 pm
Posted by ROPO
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:07 pm to
Barrett Sallee is that you?

I think some of your critiques are fair but this amounts to an amalgamation of what happens if everything realistically goes wrong. Basically the cynics view of our team
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:07 pm to
But we got one helluva heartbeat. Suck it.
Posted by rrboy
USA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:13 pm to
Too negative on offense
Too positive on defense

give you a C-
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:15 pm to
Quarterback is no less than a C. I'm surprised more people didn't see a vast improvement in efficiency once Etling/Ensminger took over. We moved the ball much better and were fairly accurate throwing the ball. I'm not saying Etling was good, but he certainly wasn't bad. If you're judging him solely on the Bama game then that's your problem.
Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:27 pm to




Here are Etlings stats compared to Harris the year before.

I don't see the drastic improvement you're talking about.

Instead of making assumptions, you should explain to me a single reason Etling deserves "No Less than a C". His performance is almost identical to Harris, who everyone openly mocks as terrible, couldn't hit the broad side of the barn, ect.

The quarterbacks get "no more than" a big fat D until they prove otherwise.

They earned an F. I was feeling nice.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted by lsutiger2010
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:31 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 10:38 pm
Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:33 pm to
quote:


This makes no sense



Uhm...

quote:

We all hope he stays healthy, as the depth behind him is suspect.


It's literally the next sentence. A position group doesn't get an A because they have one star who leads them. You need depth at running back. We don't have it.

Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:35 pm to
So the O-Line is a C, but Guice could compete for the Heisman?
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:37 pm to
I hope that you update once fall practice starts.
Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

So the O-Line is a C, but Guice could compete for the Heisman?


C+

They could just as easily be B-, B.

I don't have a lot of faith in either of our tackles as far as athleticism or health.

I have concerns about the Center position.

We're stacked at Guard.

Yes, Guice could still "compete" for the Heisman in the same way Fournette did in 2015. He will have a great individual year while the team struggles.


Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

I hope that you update once fall practice starts.


That's the plan.

Re-evaluate before kick-off of BYU.

Mid-Season.

End-of-Season.

Likely I'll forget about it and not do any of that, but who knows.
Posted by lsutiger2010
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:40 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 10:38 pm
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Here is Etling in 2016 compared side-by-side with Harris from 2015. We need significant improvement at this position.



QB: If you watched Etling play, the difference in leadership, decision making, and accuracy is night and day between Etling and Harris. Etling is AT WORST an average QB in the SEC. In this case, stats mean nothing.

RB: Less than an A with a Heisman candidate and a veteran back up?

ILB: Yet an A here based on potential talent alone while the WRs grade a C-?



Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

We basically have the same situation at Linebacker but you gave them an A.



Sorry but this isn't even close to true...

Running Back:

Guice
Williams (who I forgot about)
Brosette
Lanard
Clyde Edwards-Helaire

I do not think that the talent in this group compares to:

Devin White
Donnie Alexander
Michael Divinity Jr.
Jacob Phillips
Tyler Taylor
Patrick Queen

I understand the argument you're trying to make, but I hope with it laid out like this you can understand why the linebackers get an A and the running backs got a B+. They did *almost* get an A, anyway. They are just not quite deep enough.

White and Guice are equally talented.

Alexander and Divinity are more talented than Williams and Brosette.

Phillips more talented than Helaire or Lenard.

Aranda > Robinson

This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18668 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:50 pm to
Can I get a copy of your rubric to see how you were able to total up your points and determine the scores awarded to each position grouping?
Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

ILB: Yet an A here based on potential talent alone while the WRs grade a C-?


Not sure where you guys are saying the ILB get it on projected talent alone.

We have 3 proven guys in White, Alexander and Divinity.

We have 3 super talented freshman.

Their position coach is a defensive guru/mastermind in THE Dave Aranda.

That is why they get an A. Not tough to understand at all.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63292 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Their position coach is a defensive guru/mastermind in THE Dave Aranda. That is why they get an A. Not tough to understand at all.


Then why even break the defense down at all? Just put Dave Aranda's picture with an A+ beside it.
Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

QB: If you watched Etling play, the difference in leadership, decision making, and accuracy is night and day between Etling and Harris. Etling is AT WORST an average QB in the SEC. In this case, stats mean nothing.



Here's hoping you're right, but I would argue we need to be top 5 in passing efficiency to get the win total we want.
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