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re: Cowboys fans...your thoughts on Mo Claiborne
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:08 pm to poncho villa
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:08 pm to poncho villa
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Shut up
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 7:16 pm
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:01 pm to Penrod
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Mo was a very good CB. He certainly merited a high second round pick. The Cowboys showed what a shitty franchise they are when they drafted him in the top half of the first round. Mo benefited by playing behind a terrific front four that shut down the rush then rushed the passer.
Dude, Claiborne was the consensus #1CB for that class. Regardless of who took him, he was going to be the top CB for that class. And the only guy that could have possibly went ahead of him was Gilmore, who went 10th overall. And if Gilmore went ahead of Mo, he still would have been a top 10 pick. He was going early in the 1st. Period.
And about benefitting from playing behind a terrific front 4... couldnt you say the exact same thing about PP, Reid, and TM? And no doubt PP was better than Mo. I dont think thats what the OP is saying. But after PP left, we didnt miss a beat with Mo. He stepped in and we were just as good as we were the year before. And Mo led the team in INTs that year with PP as well.
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Your opinion is very flawed. This guy wasn't in Peterson's class, and never will be, even in a million years. Amazing that one of the greatest football players in LSU history, and one of the best defensive backs in all of history, went through LSU, and guys like you don't even realize it!
So is yours. I could say the same thing about you and your opinion on Claiborne. He is 1 of the best DBs we have ever had at LSU. Period. 1st Team All SEC D, SEC DPOY, unanimous 1st Team All American, Jim Thorpe Award Winner, and was 2nd Team All SEC D his sophomore year, which was his 1st year starter.
That puts him in the elite class with the other great LSU DBs. We have had 27 All Americans here. And just 9 All American DBs in the history of LSU. And of those 9, 5 of them were CBs. And weve had 4 SEC DPOY, Lavalais, Dorsey, PP, and Mo. And only 2 Jim Thorpe Award Winners.... PP and Mo. That puts him in that same elite class as PP, Webster, and TM.
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:24 pm to KG5989
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Mo was a very good CB. He certainly merited a high second round pick. The Cowboys showed what a shitty franchise they are when they drafted him in the top half of the first round. Mo benefited by playing behind a terrific front four that shut down the rush then rushed the passer. Dude, Claiborne was the consensus #1CB for that class. Regardless of who took him, he was going to be the top CB for that class. And the only guy that could have possibly went ahead of him was Gilmore, who went 10th overall. And if Gilmore went ahead of Mo, he still would have been a top 10 pick. He was going early in the 1st. Period.
This!!!!
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:03 pm to Alonzo
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Thorpe Award winners go in the first round
I've seen Heisman winners fall out of the first round.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:11 pm to KG5989
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And no doubt PP was better than Mo. I dont think thats what the OP is saying.
I don't know what OP you're talking about, because that's EXACTLY what the OP of this thread wrote. I'm an LSU homer. I tend to overrate Tigers. And even I knew the Cowboys had overreached for Claiborne. You can forget all that All SEC and Thorpe shite. The smart guys in the NFL don't pay any attention to that. That's why Heisman trophy winners fall out of the first round from time to time. I laughed my arse off at the idiots two years ago who thought Mo was better than TM. Believe me, I'd take a Mo every year, but not in the top half of the 1st round of the NFL draft.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:17 pm to Penrod
Bad system. Bad coaches. Bad injuries to front 7. Not many stars will overcome that. May not be any better this year either.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:03 am to wildtigercat93
Wildtiger am I missing something in this statement here? "IMO, he was our best pure cover guy at LSU including Peterson" Sure looks like he is saying Peterson > Mo! I threw out the wonderlic score as lagniappe! Why do you think they make all players coming into the league take this test?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:48 am to Penrod
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Mo was a very good CB. He certainly merited a high second round pick. The Cowboys showed what a shitty franchise they are when they drafted him in the top half of the first round. Mo benefited by playing behind a terrific front four that shut down the rush then rushed the passer.
Woah, I just saw this gem. Mo was a consensus top 10 pick that year. Dallas didn't reach on him, that's where he was expected to go.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:07 am to Penrod
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Mo was a very good CB. He certainly merited a high second round pick. The Cowboys showed what a shitty franchise they are when they drafted him in the top half of the first round. Mo benefited by playing behind a terrific front four that shut down the rush then rushed the passer.
What an idiot. Here is his excerpt from his draft profile FYI:
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The Jim Thorpe award winner as the country's premier defensive back as a junior opted to forgo his senior year to enter the draft after displaying elite ability during the 2011 season. He is huge for the position and has track speed. A very explosive athlete, Claiborne should easily pressure for a starting role early on in training camp. He covered top talent in the SEC and is as polished as corners come in this year's draft. He has first-round value and shouldn't last long.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:13 am to OutofTownAlumni
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Bad coaches. bad scheme bad injuries
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:15 am to toughcrittercrumb
As a saints fan, I'd love to get him on a cheap 2 yr deal next year.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:34 pm to Penrod
Saying someone is better at 1 thing than another player doesnt mean he is saying they are the better player. Wes Welker is better at shorter routes than Calvin Johnson... doesnt mean Welker is better than Megatron. Kyle Korver is a better 3pt shooter than Lebron James...doesnt mean hes a better player. Vontae Davis was a better cover CB than Richard Sherman was last year.... So was Brandon Boykin. But those guys arent even close to Sherman. Players all have different strengths. Saying a player is better at 1 thing than another player isnt the same as saying hes a better player.
And I posted Mo's accolades because you said that he WASNT in PP's class (as in the past at LSU) and never will be in a million years and that PP is the best DB to come through LSU and 1 of the best in the history of college football and some people dont even realize it....
In the NFL, I completely agree Mo will never ever be on PP's level. Will never sniff that level. And a lot of guys wont. PP has the potential to be 1 of the best CBs the NFL has ever seen and you cant say that about that many guys. However, the OP said Mo was the best pure cover CB we have had AT LSU, ahead of PP and TM. Im not saying that he is or isnt. But he was on the same level as PP was in terms of being a coverage CB. He was excellent at it. So was PP. But its not like PP was on a different level than Mo was in coverage skills while at LSU. And in terms of college career, Mo was 1 of the best CBs we have ever had at LSU. Hes in that same class as Webster, PP, and TM7 when it comes to his college career at LSU.
And all of those "smart guys in the NFL" would have taken Mo in the top half of the 1st round as well, most likely top 10. It doesnt matter that he went to the Cowboys. He was the consensus top CB in that draft, with Gilmore as the #2CB. The #3CB for that draft was Dre Kirkpatrick who went 17th overall. Nobody would have taken him over Mo. Nobody.
And I posted Mo's accolades because you said that he WASNT in PP's class (as in the past at LSU) and never will be in a million years and that PP is the best DB to come through LSU and 1 of the best in the history of college football and some people dont even realize it....
In the NFL, I completely agree Mo will never ever be on PP's level. Will never sniff that level. And a lot of guys wont. PP has the potential to be 1 of the best CBs the NFL has ever seen and you cant say that about that many guys. However, the OP said Mo was the best pure cover CB we have had AT LSU, ahead of PP and TM. Im not saying that he is or isnt. But he was on the same level as PP was in terms of being a coverage CB. He was excellent at it. So was PP. But its not like PP was on a different level than Mo was in coverage skills while at LSU. And in terms of college career, Mo was 1 of the best CBs we have ever had at LSU. Hes in that same class as Webster, PP, and TM7 when it comes to his college career at LSU.
And all of those "smart guys in the NFL" would have taken Mo in the top half of the 1st round as well, most likely top 10. It doesnt matter that he went to the Cowboys. He was the consensus top CB in that draft, with Gilmore as the #2CB. The #3CB for that draft was Dre Kirkpatrick who went 17th overall. Nobody would have taken him over Mo. Nobody.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:36 pm to Penrod
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The smart guys in the NFL don't pay any attention to that.
He was the consensus top corner in the draft
Rob Ryan has been around the nfl a long time, guess you just know more
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:53 pm to Penrod
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I don't know what OP you're talking about, because that's EXACTLY what the OP of this thread wrote. I'm an LSU homer. I tend to overrate Tigers. And even I knew the Cowboys had overreached for Claiborne. You can forget all that All SEC and Thorpe shite. The smart guys in the NFL don't pay any attention to that. That's why Heisman trophy winners fall out of the first round from time to time. I laughed my arse off at the idiots two years ago who thought Mo was better than TM. Believe me, I'd take a Mo every year, but not in the top half of the 1st round of the NFL draft.
What a POS you are. Mo was by far the best corner coming out that year. He had the size, speed, and ball hawking skills that every NFL team coveted. If Dallas didn't get him he was still going to be the first CB taken. Bad GM/owner plus some injuries have been his biggest problem.
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