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Clock run off rule when TCU left field seconds before half
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:48 am
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:48 am
If I understand this explanation, it appears to me that a lot of teams on defense will be trying to pull helmets off of the offensive team when they are about to kick a field goal or score with less than 10 seconds left before half time? I have heard two explanation why TCU was brought back on the field. Miles said at the time that the run off was not enforced because someone on the TCU team pulled the LSU player's helmet off. Another explanation indicates that it was not enforced because the previous incomplete pass play stopped the clock--not the opposing players pulling off the helmet? Does anyone know how this rule actually reads?
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:53 am to kew48
Not sure of the exact rule, but the refs who get paid to know the rules completely fricked it up. I was going ballistic when they originally ruled the clock run off. You're right, if thats the rule wouldnt defenders be trying to take offensive players helmets off?
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:54 am to kew48
Bc it was on an incomplete pass so the clock was stopped anyway. Had we ran the ball time would have been out
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:54 am to kew48
lsu had no timeouts. the rule is meant to be in effect when the taking off the helmet resulted in a stoppage of play. since there was an incomplete pass, that stopped the clock and made the 10 second run off rule void.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:55 am to kew48
There is a rule that if the opposing team pulls off your helmet, you don't have to exit the game, and there would be no penalty in that case. Even though Collins' helmet was pulled off, that was not the ruling at the time.
The rule is in that situation, if the clock is not stopped and you have no timeouts, there is a 10 second run off. Because the clock was stopped due to an incomplete pass, there was no 10 second run off, Collins just had to sit out the next play.
The rule is in that situation, if the clock is not stopped and you have no timeouts, there is a 10 second run off. Because the clock was stopped due to an incomplete pass, there was no 10 second run off, Collins just had to sit out the next play.
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 7:56 am
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:55 am to kew48
there's a 10 second run off if you lose your helmet UNLESS it is intentionally pulled off.
anyway, i think that the "sit out" a play rule is fricking ridiculous.
anyway, i think that the "sit out" a play rule is fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:57 am to Elleshoe
If that is the case, This rule is flawed-- I can see helmets coming off all over the place!!
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:57 am to Elleshoe
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Bc it was on an incomplete pass so the clock was stopped anyway. Had we ran the ball time would have been out
if we were stupid enough to run the ball under 10 seconds with no time outs then the clock would run out anyway.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:03 am to kew48
The reason there was no runoff is because the pass was incomplete. If the helmet came off and we caught the ball and got tackled in bounds shy of a first down, 10 sec runoff. Basically, there was something that occurred to stop the clock...the incompletion.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:03 am to kew48
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Another explanation indicates that it was not enforced because the previous incomplete pass play stopped the clock--?
I get so mad at officials and umpires during games. Athletic events should be decided by the kids/players on the field. I was in my seat telling the people around me that they can't run the time off because of the incomplete pass before the officials corrected the call. I am not a paid college football official, it is not my job to know the rules, yet these clowns knew less than me.
How is that possible?
How can two paid officials standing on the same side of the field as the ball carrier, two defenders, and two blockers not see the obvious blocks (plural) in the back that allowed the TCU receiver to pick up the first down?
Incompetence!!!! I can't stand it!!!
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:07 am to EarthwormJim
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There is a rule that if the opposing team pulls off your helmet, you don't have to exit the game,
Isn't it nice that TCU defenders can use hands to the face of our offensive lineman and knock their helmets off and nearly force a 10 second runoff to end the half? How bout a flag, ref?
How bout when Jarvis Landry, when running the ball, got put into a headlock and the TCU defender pulled his helmet off. The officials did not allow Landry to stay in the game. He was furious and I was worried that he was about to get flagged for arguing with the officials. However, he was right to argue.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:12 am to kew48
Is it just me or do these helmets seem to come off far too easily?
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:12 am to kew48
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If that is the case, This rule is flawed-- I can see helmets coming off all over the place!!
Landry's helmet was ripped off later in the game as well. It was also done a lot last year to try and make players sit out a play.
I honestly think that the rule encourages cheating, and I really hope they find a better way.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:19 am to NOLATIGAH
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the rule is meant to be in effect when the taking off the helmet resulted in a stoppage of play
it's basically any stoppage caused by the offense when the clock is running and they have no timeouts....injury, helmet off, intentional penalty, etc. You also can't clock the ball with less than 3 seconds on the clock any longer.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:25 am to Ironhead985
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these helmets seem to come off far too easily
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:30 am to EarthwormJim
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There is a rule that if the opposing team pulls off your helmet, you don't have to exit the game, and there would be no penalty in that case. Even though Collins' helmet was pulled off, that was not the ruling at the time.
Problem with that is while being tackled by a couple of guys its too hard for a ref to see who took the helmet off. See Landry being told he had to sit out a play. It seemed pretty obvious that it was taken off by the defender but they were blind to it.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:32 am to kew48
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incomplete pass play stopped the clock--not the opposing players pulling off the helmet
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:33 am to ForeLSU
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You also can't clock the ball with less than 3 seconds on the clock any longer
WTF kind of rule is that? Is there any purpose to such a ridiculous rule?
Posted on 9/3/13 at 10:33 am to Patron Saint
Ok, here it is:
If a player loses his helmet during a play, he must come out the game or the team must call a time out - unless there is a clock stoppage anyway (like out of bounds or incomplete pass) in which case he can play the next play without having to take a timeout. Also, if the ref determines that his helmet was pulled off, none of this applies - that is to stop the other team from just pulling off guys' helmets all the time and making them go out for a play. If a player's helmet comes off and he doesn't go out of the game, the team is charged a timeout (unless the clock stops anyway). And if the team doesn't have a timeout, there is a 10-second runoff.
So, in the game the other night, the refs screwed up at first. Collins' helmet came off and he stayed in the next play. Since LSU did not have a timeout, they at first thought that the 10 second runoff was necessary. Then they huddled up and figured out that the play where his helmet came off was an incomplete pass - so the clocked stopped. So, even though he lost his helmet, he could play the next play without a timeout being taken. So they made the right call - just a bit late.
Then, to confuse the issue even more, Les told the sideline reporter that what the refs deteremined was that Collins' helmet was pulled off - which alos would have had the same effect - there would be no 10 second runoff. That was not the issue - but you can see how that would be what Miles thought it was.
Anyway, the issue was that the refs realized the clock had stopped anyway so no 10 second runoff was necessary. So they did the right thing and got the teams back out there and played the next play.
If a player loses his helmet during a play, he must come out the game or the team must call a time out - unless there is a clock stoppage anyway (like out of bounds or incomplete pass) in which case he can play the next play without having to take a timeout. Also, if the ref determines that his helmet was pulled off, none of this applies - that is to stop the other team from just pulling off guys' helmets all the time and making them go out for a play. If a player's helmet comes off and he doesn't go out of the game, the team is charged a timeout (unless the clock stops anyway). And if the team doesn't have a timeout, there is a 10-second runoff.
So, in the game the other night, the refs screwed up at first. Collins' helmet came off and he stayed in the next play. Since LSU did not have a timeout, they at first thought that the 10 second runoff was necessary. Then they huddled up and figured out that the play where his helmet came off was an incomplete pass - so the clocked stopped. So, even though he lost his helmet, he could play the next play without a timeout being taken. So they made the right call - just a bit late.
Then, to confuse the issue even more, Les told the sideline reporter that what the refs deteremined was that Collins' helmet was pulled off - which alos would have had the same effect - there would be no 10 second runoff. That was not the issue - but you can see how that would be what Miles thought it was.
Anyway, the issue was that the refs realized the clock had stopped anyway so no 10 second runoff was necessary. So they did the right thing and got the teams back out there and played the next play.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 10:35 am to oldcharlie8
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there's a 10 second run off if you lose your helmet UNLESS it is intentionally pulled off.
Right. Pretty sure it would be some type of penalty on the D too for intentionally ripping off another player's helmet
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