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re: Clock and Helmet issue at the end of the first half
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:27 pm to crazybengal
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:27 pm to crazybengal
Yeah its necessary....there is no excuse for him not knowing WTF is going on in like year 9....PAY GD ATTENTION
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:29 pm to Buda
Here is the rule, I don't see how there was no 10 second run off and the half over, unless the flag was a delayed flag for activity during the play, or unless there was a flag on the ground for illegal hands to face.
Even if there was an incomplete pass, the 10 second runoff is at the discretion of TCU if I am reading it correctly.
Rule 3-3-9 Helmet Comes Off—Timeout (New Article) ARTICLE 9. a. If during the down a player’s helmet comes completely off, other than as the direct result of a foul by an opponent, the player must leave the game for the next down. The game clock will stop at the end of the down.
b. When the helmet coming off is the only reason for stopping the clock, the following conditions apply: 1. With one minute or more remaining in either half the play clock will be set at 25 seconds if the player is on offense and at 40 seconds if the player is on defense. The game clock will start on the referee’s signal.
2. If there is less than one minute in the half the opponent has the option of a 10- second subtraction. The play clock will be set at 25 seconds. If there is a 10-second subtraction the game clock will start on the referee’s signal. If there is no 10-second subtraction the game clock will start on the snap. The 10-second subtraction may be avoided by the use of a team timeout, if available. There is no option for a 10-second subtraction if helmets come off opposing players.
c. If the ball carrier’s helmet comes off as in paragraph a (above) the ball is dead (Rule 4-1-3-q). If the player is not the ball carrier the ball remains alive, but he must not continue to participate in the play beyond the immediate action in which he is engaged. Prolonged participation is a personal foul (Rule 9-1-17). By definition such a player is obviously out of the play (Rule 9-1-12- b).
d. A player who intentionally removes his helmet during the down commits a foul for unsportsmanlike conduct (Rule 9-2-1-a-1-i).
Even if there was an incomplete pass, the 10 second runoff is at the discretion of TCU if I am reading it correctly.
Rule 3-3-9 Helmet Comes Off—Timeout (New Article) ARTICLE 9. a. If during the down a player’s helmet comes completely off, other than as the direct result of a foul by an opponent, the player must leave the game for the next down. The game clock will stop at the end of the down.
b. When the helmet coming off is the only reason for stopping the clock, the following conditions apply: 1. With one minute or more remaining in either half the play clock will be set at 25 seconds if the player is on offense and at 40 seconds if the player is on defense. The game clock will start on the referee’s signal.
2. If there is less than one minute in the half the opponent has the option of a 10- second subtraction. The play clock will be set at 25 seconds. If there is a 10-second subtraction the game clock will start on the referee’s signal. If there is no 10-second subtraction the game clock will start on the snap. The 10-second subtraction may be avoided by the use of a team timeout, if available. There is no option for a 10-second subtraction if helmets come off opposing players.
c. If the ball carrier’s helmet comes off as in paragraph a (above) the ball is dead (Rule 4-1-3-q). If the player is not the ball carrier the ball remains alive, but he must not continue to participate in the play beyond the immediate action in which he is engaged. Prolonged participation is a personal foul (Rule 9-1-17). By definition such a player is obviously out of the play (Rule 9-1-12- b).
d. A player who intentionally removes his helmet during the down commits a foul for unsportsmanlike conduct (Rule 9-2-1-a-1-i).
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:32 pm to Buda
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Collins' helmet came off and he stayed in the next play.
Wrong. Collins' helmet came off (as a result of an illegal hands to the face that was missed by the refs I might add) but the next play did not happen until all of the mess was resolved.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:32 pm to Choupique19
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So you are saying that Les was confused.
I am saying that Choupique19 is an idiot because Les was correct.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:35 pm to LSUfoosball
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Yeah its necessary....there is no excuse for him not knowing WTF is going on in like year 9....PAY GD ATTENTION
maybe he just repeated what he was told...
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:38 pm to tigerfoot
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When the helmet coming off is the only reason for stopping the clock
the helmet coming off wasn't the only reason the clock was stopped...
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:44 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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What a turrible turrible rule.
Agreed. Earlier in the game Jarvis Landry had his helmet pulled off after a reception for a first down. Not only was a facemask penalty not called, but he had to LEAVE the game for a play! This makes no sense to me.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:45 pm to ForeLSU
To answer the other question, The personal foul was called against Chucky Hunter. I think the entire helmet rule is stupid. What if the helmet comes off because of a hard hit? The player can't help that and neither was it purposeful.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 12:49 pm to rickyh
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The personal foul was called against Chucky Hunter
No doubt he was fired up to prove he should have gotten his offer back in the day. And considering Mickey Johnson hasn't been heard from since signing his LOI, I think Chucky's right. He would definitely be in the mix at DT this year, at least ahead of where Mickey is.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 10:31 am to OldManRiver
This is the key part of the rule, as noted by a poster above:
The part that came into play was "When the helmet coming off is the only reason for stopping the clock..." So if there is another reason (like the ball went out of bounds or there is an incomplete pass), those rules do not apply - including the 10 second runoff.
At first the refs didn't clue into the part about "when the helmet coming of is the only reason for clock stopping." Then they realized that the play ended with an incomplete pass - so the clock was stopped and the helmet issue was not the only reason the clock stopped so they fixed their mistake and made the right call. The refs never agreed that the helmet was removed by a TCU player - if they had they would have had to call a facemask penalty.
The key was that there was a clock stoppage because of an incomplete pass on the play. Therefore, there was no option for a runoff of 10 seconds.
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b. When the helmet coming off is the only reason for stopping the clock, the following conditions apply: 1. With one minute or more remaining in either half the play clock will be set at 25 seconds if the player is on offense and at 40 seconds if the player is on defense. The game clock will start on the referee’s signal.
2. If there is less than one minute in the half the opponent has the option of a 10- second subtraction. The play clock will be set at 25 seconds. If there is a 10-second subtraction the game clock will start on the referee’s signal. If there is no 10-second subtraction the game clock will start on the snap. The 10-second subtraction may be avoided by the use of a team timeout, if available. There is no option for a 10-second subtraction if helmets come off opposing players.
The part that came into play was "When the helmet coming off is the only reason for stopping the clock..." So if there is another reason (like the ball went out of bounds or there is an incomplete pass), those rules do not apply - including the 10 second runoff.
At first the refs didn't clue into the part about "when the helmet coming of is the only reason for clock stopping." Then they realized that the play ended with an incomplete pass - so the clock was stopped and the helmet issue was not the only reason the clock stopped so they fixed their mistake and made the right call. The refs never agreed that the helmet was removed by a TCU player - if they had they would have had to call a facemask penalty.
The key was that there was a clock stoppage because of an incomplete pass on the play. Therefore, there was no option for a runoff of 10 seconds.
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