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re: Chavis needs more blame.

Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:25 am to
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:25 am to
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We have so many dangerous weapons, and we are playing scared. We are playing old man football. Please open your eyes Les. You are still in control, but you need to change your approach.


spot on. just a lot of wasted talent. Les is lost.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:35 am to
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chavis needs more blame


agree. I don't like his propensity to have elves playing on the D line and safeties playing LB. he uses the same three blitzes on every 3rd down….time to come up with something new
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:38 am to
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I did see Chief and other coaches running through the gate at the northwest portal after halftime


WOW
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6179 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:57 am to
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Chief ain't all he is cracked up to be. Very predictable defense. He needs 11 All Americans to win




I'm starting to agree more and more with this. After watching the last two years, it seems to me that not only does he need physical specimens at each position, those guys also have to have very high football IQ's.

I think Chavis' scheme puts a lot on his guys. You really have to have top notch playmakers at every level.

And everybody knows he's going to be in man coverage and he's going to blitz from man coverage. Doing so leaves gaping holes in the defense. Guys like Eric Reid could cover those holes in a hurry. Guys like Kevin Minter can fill holes quickly as they happen. But you don't always have guys like that every year. We certainly don't this year.

We simply don't have the personnel to run the same defensive scheme we have run in the past. I don't know if more slanting from our D-line and run blitzing is the answer, but we can't run a base defense and hold up against the run.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:00 am to
Chavis has consistently put out great units. His defense sucked against state. Some obviously terrible calls (leaving the middle wide open a few times) but the offense did absolutely nothing to keep the defense off the field. Our defense has kept us in games throughout his tenure here.

The offense is the real problem.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4720 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:01 am to
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He's known as one of the best at making adjustments at halftime and he did absolutely nothing. Not to mention the appaling lack of not substituting when we were getting gashed. Every coach needs to be held accountable. Not just miles, but also cam and chief.


At the end of the day, there was no adjustment he could make. The other teams players were bigger, stronger, and better than our players.

Now, everyone needs to be held accountable for the lack of talent on this team.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:10 am to
His scheme dictates that size isn't an issue so long as you have speed. However he appears to be blind in not seeing the issue he has at DT and MLB. Even going to the point of claiming this is the best LB group he has ever coached.
Posted by mtheob17
Charleston, SC
Member since Sep 2009
5332 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:19 am to
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maybe its pure attrition


and Welter playing MLB
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:23 am to
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His scheme dictates that size isn't an issue so long as you have speed. However he appears to be blind in not seeing the issue he has at DT and MLB. Even going to the point of claiming this is the best LB group he has ever coached.



Probably look great in practice going against our OL.

Chavis is not the problem. Yes, he had a bad game, but you reactionary morons seem to forget how consistently good he has been in his tenure at LSU. shite, last year we had an off-year for him and we finished with the #9 total defense in college football.

2 things are wrong with this defense, Welter and the lack of depth and size on the DL. Its time to plan for next year and get Beckwith and Garrett all the snaps they can and rotate all the freshmen DL with consistency.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:33 am to
As another said he needs world beaters for his D to be effective. It is very simple, but typically we have the guys that can execute it to the point that it doesn't matter what the opposing team does. Plus he insists on playing Welter. Beckwith is far and away the better player and he looks for any excuse to plug Welter back in.
Posted by TG
Metairie
Member since Sep 2004
3058 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:34 am to
Last season should have opened everyone's eyes. The defensive sets I witnessed Saturday night are an indication of the remainder of this season. Four down linemen, no one in the MLB space and five DB's against a running team???

Our front seven aren't nearly as talented as those of 5 years ago. We keep signing DB's and "athletes" but are lacking in linemen and LB's. We haven't had a dominating LB in so long that I can't recall.

I believe there are some players in the doghouse that need to receive playing time. And not just next week, but the rest of the season.

I believe there are some players in the doghouse that need to receive playing time.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68628 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:38 am to
Yeah changes have to be made. Thomas is your best defender, he has to play. Welter and Martin need to ride the pine they are supposed to be the leaders on this team and are and have been a liability their whole career. Our linebackers are awful, kwon is the only worth a shite and while beckwith made mistakes he also made plays that you just dont see from welter. But when you see a tiny arse debo jones bouncing off people you have to sit and wonder why we cant recruit at that position. We loaded up there and only kwon is worth a shite out of that big haul of 6 linebackers, 1/6 isnt batting to well. Chavis and miles have failed at recruiting and developing that position.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:38 am to
Has the following precedent not been set by Chavis?: A young defense struggles, and an experienced defense succeeds?

Are there not a lot of first-year starters who stand to perform a lot better in the coming years?

In 2008, Dan Mullen's Florida offense scored 30 against an inexperienced Chavis defense. Give Mullen some credit for being a great offensive coach who can exploit defensive inexperience. Last night was a similar situation. It happens.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 9:14 am
Posted by PacWilly
Member since Jun 2010
552 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:41 am to
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The offense is the real problem.


Agreed. Chavis may be a little predictable and may not be "the best", but you guys are forgetting how good our defense has been under Chavis. This defense has carried this team over the last few years. this year, the defense needs help because we don't have enough talent on the DL and at MLB.

The offense is the problem due to busted plays on the Oline and inferior QB play. we have playmakers everywhere on offense, and we can't get them the ball because the QB is running for his life, RBs getting hit in the backfield and can't turn upfield, and balls being skipped off the turf.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 8:44 am
Posted by monsterballads
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:41 am to
in defense of the defense, the offense scored 10 points and couldn't sustain drives...

until the final 3 minutes of the game the offense was lifeless.
Posted by JR
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2005
1215 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:45 am to
Chavis shiwed a real drop off in quality last year and that has continued so far this year. You cant get too excited about shut outs of two cream puffs.

He is responsible for players lined up in the wrong place, not the pplayers.
Posted by winnoworelse
Good Ole Louisiana Bayou
Member since Jun 2004
2769 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:52 am to
Other teams are not having problems getting quality play out of young players. The reason we aren't is because of coaching. People are blaming it on reloading. Looks like other teams are fully reloaded to me and not looking this bad. It's time we accept the real problem. Coaching!
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68628 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:56 am to
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in defense of the defense, the offense scored 10 points and couldn't sustain drives... until the final 3 minutes of the game the offense was lifeless.


I have to disagree, the defense got better as the game went on, they gave up big plays early that had nothing to do with the offense struggling seeing how we got to the 1 yard line and were clicking until the defense gave up a 98 yard drive to make it 14-0. The defense shouldnt be worn out in the first quarter.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28350 posts
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:57 am to
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Chavis is not the problem. Yes, he had a bad game, but you reactionary morons seem to forget how consistently good he has been in his tenure at LSU. shite, last year we had an off-year for him and we finished with the #9 total defense in college football.

2 things are wrong with this defense, Welter and the lack of depth and size on the DL. Its time to plan for next year and get Beckwith and Garrett all the snaps they can and rotate all the freshmen DL with consistency.



History has shown that Chavis is a good DC. That said, the thing that bothers me the most is that you had a big LB recruiting class a few years ago that was supposed to produce big results. However, outside of Alexander here and there, none of those LBs have done anything of note while at LSU

Same with the DL class two years ago. Last year's DL depth was thin. But other than Lacatoure, nobody else from that vaunted DL haul played significant snaps on a avg at best DL. This season the DL looks worse, and you've got guys from that DL class who STILL cannot get on the field. We can talk about scheme all we want, but right now (at least to me) it looks as if LSU has had some massive swings and misses on the recruiting trail which are starting to really show up.
Posted by winnoworelse
Good Ole Louisiana Bayou
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:03 am to
The game has passed up Chavis and Miles. More spread offenses and up tempo. More actual "thinking" required against teams too!
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