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re: Chavis felt his defense was under unnecessary strain?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 9:53 pm to BGSB
Posted on 3/1/15 at 9:53 pm to BGSB
quote:Of course they are going to improve. They CAN'T get any worse.
but I wouldn't be surprised if A&M becomes a very good defensive team in the next couple of years, at least by year 3.
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Posted on 3/1/15 at 9:58 pm to southeasttiger113
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Because LSU is still insanely talented compared to every other team in the SEC except maybe Bama, and there's that TOP thing that I mentioned earlier that usually leads to statistically strong defenses. Hopefully you're just trolling and you're not legitimately this clueless
so let me get this straight...
you say "chavis isnt that good, look at his 2013 performance"
in response I say "well lets look at literally every other year"
you respond "well yeah he had mathieu reid claiborne any DC would do well with that"
(mind you the 2008 defense didn't look that great. whats up with that? the talent was here? ITS JUST THAT EASY , RIGHT?)
so when I use the 2014 defense as my counter, the one that had none of the players you listed, you respond with this
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Because LSU is still insanely talented compared to every other team in the SEC except maybe Bama, and there's that TOP thing that I mentioned earlier that usually leads to statistically strong defenses
meaning that if Chavis had finished any worst than first it would be a disappointment. except that he did finish first. so, he did exactly what he was supposed to do.
lets see where Steeles defense ranks in 2015 with the same talent, then maybe we can have a better picture of how "awful" of a coordinator chavis was.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:00 pm to L S Usetheforce
It's about $ first, but I agree with his comment. Got sick of protecting a shite offense year after year.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:01 pm to gene_parmesan
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lets see where Steeles defense ranks in 2015 with the same talent, then maybe we can have a better picture of how "awful" of a coordinator chavis was.
You are all about stats apparently.
I'm hoping Steele can stop drives at the end of games. Who gives a frick what the rankings are?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:03 pm to ForeLSU
how can you look at the two halves in a vacuum like that? do you think players are just good as new in the second half? LSU had to play a lot of extra, unnecessary defense in the first half. this came back to bite them in the second half.
the fact that you are obsessing over one game shows that 1) you have some deep seeded issues
2) your argument that Chavis wasn't very good at his job is not very strong.
the fact that you are obsessing over one game shows that 1) you have some deep seeded issues
2) your argument that Chavis wasn't very good at his job is not very strong.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:04 pm to BeeFense5
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I'm hoping Steele can stop drives at the end of games.
LSU stopped a drive at the end of the bama game.
THEY GAVE THE OFFENSE 1ST AND GOAL WITH 80 SECONDS LEFT YOU MORON.
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:05 pm to gene_parmesan
Yea, he coached the defense up to its potential. Nothing more, nothing less, and that's really not that impressive. But you're still sitting there blowing him for whatever reason? As I said, there are hundreds of DC's that could've accomplished what Chavis did when we had a full 2 deep of future NFL players to work with. Want to know what a great defensive coordinator looks like? Go watch Arkansas' defense dominate all last season with 3* players.
And Steele's performance has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Chavis is an average coordinator, that's called a logical fallacy and you're still a dipshit
And Steele's performance has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Chavis is an average coordinator, that's called a logical fallacy and you're still a dipshit
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:06 pm to BeeFense5
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I'm hoping Steele can stop drives at the end of games. Who gives a frick what the rankings are?
Or maybe we could have a vaguely competent offense that doesn't depend on the defense essentially pitching a shutout every single game in order for us to compete.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:07 pm to gene_parmesan
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THEY GAVE THE OFFENSE 1ST AND GOAL WITH 80 SECONDS LEFT YOU frickING MORON.
They blew the game and let Bama score at the end to tie it up.
You are a fricking imbecile.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:10 pm to lsu2006
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Or maybe we could have a vaguely competent offense that doesn't depend on the defense essentially pitching a shutout every single game in order for us to compete.
I'm gonna throw out the Bama games so, Clemson, UGA, Notre Dame, Ole Miss. Which one of these was essential a shutout by the D?
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:10 pm to southeasttiger113
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Yea, he coached the defense up to its potential. Nothing more, nothing less, and that's really not that impressive. But you're still sitting there blowing him for whatever reason? As I said, there are hundreds of DC's that could've accomplished what Chavis did when we had a full 2 deep of future NFL players to work with. Want to know what a great defensive coordinator looks like? Go watch Arkansas' defense dominate all last season with 3* players.
nothing more nothing less? god how are you allowed to post?
did you watch this season?
seriously?
you know what I saw? I saw a defense get DICKROCKED by miss st and auburn, and that same defense got their act together and improved as a unit and basically bailed out our sorry offense the rest of the way. THAT is good coaching and a coordinator doing his job. and a damn fine one too.
arkansas' defense was average at best. dont let their performance against LSU fool you. that had a lot more to do with #10 than any player in red that night.
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And Steele's performance has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Chavis is an average coordinator, that's called a logical fallacy and you're still a dip shite
well, if he is the one LSU is replacing Chavis with, I would hope that its because he is just as good/better at Chavis' job than Chavis was. but what do I know, im a dip shite.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:11 pm to L S Usetheforce
I have long maintained that a defense that is given 24 points by the offense to work with should do their part.
I remember losing to UGA with 40 + points of offense and 27 points against Ole Miss 2012.
Chavis has a point in cases like Bama and Ole Miss this year where the defense played it's butts off. But we lost many games with last drive collapses.
I remember losing to UGA with 40 + points of offense and 27 points against Ole Miss 2012.
Chavis has a point in cases like Bama and Ole Miss this year where the defense played it's butts off. But we lost many games with last drive collapses.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:11 pm to BeeFense5
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They blew the game
you're absolutely right. the entire team blew the game.
the offense couldnt score from the 6.
the kicker couldnt keep the kick in bounds.
the defense let them score, A FIELD GOAL, TO GIVE OUR TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN IT IN OT. SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD LSU SCORED A TOUCHDOWN FROM 6 YARDS AWAY.
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:13 pm to saintsfan22
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Clemson, UGA, Notre Dame, Ole Miss.
you have listed 6 games (EDIT i am including the 2 bama games you "threw out"). that is an average of one per each season chavis was here. you are demanding perfection.
my question is why dont our fans hold our offense to the same lofty standards?
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:16 pm to gene_parmesan
I wasn't going through his entire tenure I'm picking from the last 3 years when its been a glaringly obvious problem. So that's 2 a season.
True no one ever complains about the offense
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my question is why dont our fans hold our offense to the same lofty standards?
True no one ever complains about the offense
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:16 pm to gene_parmesan
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how can you look at the two halves in a vacuum like that?
I'm not looking at them in a vacuum. I'm looking at the length of LSU's drives and where OM started their possessions in the first half. The first half, when LSU committed the turnovers, was not that bad of a half for the defense as far as TOP is concerned. It was basically 16 minutes OM, 14 minutes LSU. I wouldn't consider that "unnecessary strain", would you?
quote:
your argument that Chavis wasn't very good at his job is not very strong
I'm not arguing that at all. I think Chavis is one of the best and hated to see him leave.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:19 pm to lsu2006
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Well, he deserves some shielding from criticism. Our offense was fricking putrid and without that defense we may have not have won an SEC game last year.
That defense was also stacked with talent that Raymond, Haley, Wilson, and Miles were largely responsible for getting. Chavis is one of the laziest recruiters in college football and it's very damn hard to win big games without elite talent.
It's fair to assume to other defensive coordinators would have had similar success last season.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:22 pm to ForeLSU
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McCarron said in 2012 that the coaches had drilled them during the week on exactly what LSU was going to do on D in 2 minute.
wow, wow, wow....!!!!
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:22 pm to whodidthat
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It's fair to assume to other defensive coordinators would have had similar success last season.
Nope. Parmesan says only Chavis could have had the "success" he had at lsu and Miles would not have a job any more only because of Chavis.
Miles would not have a job apparently because chavis was the only one to save it. You have to laugh at anyone that would side in a discussion with this Parmesan imbecile. Those people must not have read any of the other threads he was a part of.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 10:22 pm to gene_parmesan
Auburn and Mississippi State could've hung 70 points on us if they wanted to. They literally scored at will and that's a positive to you because we had two good games against Ole Miss and Alabama but looked mediocre otherwise and even got 31 hung on us by Notre Dame? Solid logic there champ.
And it's funny that you say arkansas isn't that good but want to suck Chavis' dick about his performance later in the season when Arkansas gave up the same amount of points as we did to Bama, and fewer to Ole Miss and Miss State. They literally did better than us against almost every opponent that we played.
And again, there aren't any guarantees that Steele is going to be "better" than Chavis just because we hired him you fricking moron. If that was the case then every school would be in a constant state of improvement after every hire. Seriously wtf kind of idiotic logic is that? Even if Steele is worse than Chavis, there are still a LOT of DC's out there that are better than him. Get a clue or go find a new hobby because clearly sports aren't really your thing
And it's funny that you say arkansas isn't that good but want to suck Chavis' dick about his performance later in the season when Arkansas gave up the same amount of points as we did to Bama, and fewer to Ole Miss and Miss State. They literally did better than us against almost every opponent that we played.
And again, there aren't any guarantees that Steele is going to be "better" than Chavis just because we hired him you fricking moron. If that was the case then every school would be in a constant state of improvement after every hire. Seriously wtf kind of idiotic logic is that? Even if Steele is worse than Chavis, there are still a LOT of DC's out there that are better than him. Get a clue or go find a new hobby because clearly sports aren't really your thing
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