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Championship Series
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:26 am
Hey Tigers. Nole fan dropping by. Congratulations on making the Championship Series - Nole fans are certainly pulling for you guys to knock off that team we won't mention. I created an account here to specifically get your opinions on the Championship Series format, specifically, the one day rest between bracket play and championship series. Below is a post I created on the FSU board, interested in your opinions on the topic. Btw, in no way am I busting your guy on the bump tonight - just used him as the example for my point. Like I said in my post, he could go out and throw a gem.
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Championship Series:
I've complained about this before and still believe something needs to be done about the Championship Series being played with one days rest (could have been two had UF beat TCU Friday and LSU not dropped the first game to OSU). It's the sports biggest stage of the year, yet we won't get to see either teams ace throwing, unless a game three is played and they would be throwing on short rest - four days to be exact. It's not good for the sport or for the pitchers. LSU is starting a guy who hasn't started a game since 2015, has an 8.59 ERA and has pitched a total of 14.2 innings all season. This is good for the sport, how exactly? Sure, he may go out and throw a gem, but this sport, this stage, deserves best on best. 1 vs 1. 2 vs 2. 3 vs 3. The sport has gone to a true series (and I don't want to go back), its time to play it like one.
Can you imagine Major League Baseball having one day off between the AL / NL Championship Series before the start of the World Series? Can you imagine an MLB World Series that didn't see a teams ace pitch? No Kershaw, Greinke, Bumgarner, Lester ... insert team's ace here. It absurd. The sport goes from playing three games series all year long, to four-team bracket play, then back to a three game series, then back to four team bracket play, then back to a three game series on one days rest. Woof.
I've heard the cost argument: that if you wait three additional days for example and start the series on Thursday, rather than tonight, it would cost the NCAA significant dollars to keep the teams in Omaha. I get that. Understand it completely. But is the NCAA making this decision in the best interest of the sport? Best interest of the players?
I've also heard the argument from the fans perspective: that if you extend the series an additional three days for example it would place a huge burden on the fan - they would have to make the decision to stay the additional three days or drive/fly home and back in time for the series to start. I get that. Understand it completely. But is the NCAA making this decision in the best interest of the sport? Best interest of the players?
From a fans perspective: diehard fans are going to go no matter what. The diehard fan is one who I would consider to be someone who can go out there for 10-days and stick around to watch their team make the Championship series - that would be 14 consecutive days in Omaha under the current format. Players parents are going to go no matter what. So long as cost isn't an issue. The average fan likely isn't making Monday's championship series if they just spent the past 10-days in Omaha watching bracket play, so pushing the series back three-days isn't going to affect them - similarly to the average fan who waits to see if his/her team makes it to the national championship game in football - they are likely sitting out that first playoff game. The average fan is probably only going to go to one or the other - either starting 10-days ago or for tonight's championship series. The folks in Omaha will show no matter what.
I'm not sure there is an "ideal fix". Maybe this is the best the sport can offer. The 10-days preceding the Championship Series are pure bliss. But starting a guy who hasn't started since 2015 and the chance of not seeing either teams ace in the Championship Series sure doesn't show the sport in its best light on the sports biggest stage.
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Championship Series:
I've complained about this before and still believe something needs to be done about the Championship Series being played with one days rest (could have been two had UF beat TCU Friday and LSU not dropped the first game to OSU). It's the sports biggest stage of the year, yet we won't get to see either teams ace throwing, unless a game three is played and they would be throwing on short rest - four days to be exact. It's not good for the sport or for the pitchers. LSU is starting a guy who hasn't started a game since 2015, has an 8.59 ERA and has pitched a total of 14.2 innings all season. This is good for the sport, how exactly? Sure, he may go out and throw a gem, but this sport, this stage, deserves best on best. 1 vs 1. 2 vs 2. 3 vs 3. The sport has gone to a true series (and I don't want to go back), its time to play it like one.
Can you imagine Major League Baseball having one day off between the AL / NL Championship Series before the start of the World Series? Can you imagine an MLB World Series that didn't see a teams ace pitch? No Kershaw, Greinke, Bumgarner, Lester ... insert team's ace here. It absurd. The sport goes from playing three games series all year long, to four-team bracket play, then back to a three game series, then back to four team bracket play, then back to a three game series on one days rest. Woof.
I've heard the cost argument: that if you wait three additional days for example and start the series on Thursday, rather than tonight, it would cost the NCAA significant dollars to keep the teams in Omaha. I get that. Understand it completely. But is the NCAA making this decision in the best interest of the sport? Best interest of the players?
I've also heard the argument from the fans perspective: that if you extend the series an additional three days for example it would place a huge burden on the fan - they would have to make the decision to stay the additional three days or drive/fly home and back in time for the series to start. I get that. Understand it completely. But is the NCAA making this decision in the best interest of the sport? Best interest of the players?
From a fans perspective: diehard fans are going to go no matter what. The diehard fan is one who I would consider to be someone who can go out there for 10-days and stick around to watch their team make the Championship series - that would be 14 consecutive days in Omaha under the current format. Players parents are going to go no matter what. So long as cost isn't an issue. The average fan likely isn't making Monday's championship series if they just spent the past 10-days in Omaha watching bracket play, so pushing the series back three-days isn't going to affect them - similarly to the average fan who waits to see if his/her team makes it to the national championship game in football - they are likely sitting out that first playoff game. The average fan is probably only going to go to one or the other - either starting 10-days ago or for tonight's championship series. The folks in Omaha will show no matter what.
I'm not sure there is an "ideal fix". Maybe this is the best the sport can offer. The 10-days preceding the Championship Series are pure bliss. But starting a guy who hasn't started since 2015 and the chance of not seeing either teams ace in the Championship Series sure doesn't show the sport in its best light on the sports biggest stage.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:27 am to nolemanb
Damn that's a wall of txt, but thanks 
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:28 am to TigerBait2008
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:37 am to TigerBait2008
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Damn that's a wall of txt, but thanks
Yea, I have a tendency to be more thorough than I probably should, but wanted to discuss the arguments that have been presented to me in the past regarding the topic. Just blows my mind we aren't guaranteed to see Lange and Faedo this series.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:43 am to nolemanb
I see it more as a penalty for losing. As you mentioned, if UF/OSU had not lost friday you'd have ace vs. ace in Game 1. If you lose games you'll have to go deeper into the pen. I think it's fair
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:44 am to nolemanb
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Just blows my mind we aren't guaranteed to see Lange and Faedo this series.
Oh but you will. If their is a game 3 I bet you will see Lange. Faedo will likely come out of the pen for Florida.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:48 am to Not Cooper
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I see it more as a penalty for losing. As you mentioned, if UF/OSU had not lost friday you'd have ace vs. ace in Game 1. If you lose games you'll have to go deeper into the pen. I think it's fair
I agree with this. I think the format isn't ideal but it's the best compromise.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:49 am to jampat
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quote:Just blows my mind we aren't guaranteed to see Lange and Faedo this series. Oh but you will. If their is a game 3 I bet you will see Lange. Faedo will likely come out of the pen for Florida.
No doubt. But not the way Lange and Faedo have been used all season long. Just seems odd to me that we reach this point and then we give guys roles they haven't assumed all season.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:51 am to nolemanb
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No doubt. But not the way Lange and Faedo have been used all season long. Just seems odd to me that we reach this point and then we give guys roles they haven't assumed all season.
I kind of like that aspect of it. It allows teams to find alternative strategies and the teams that more quickly adapt are the ones that have an advantage.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:52 am to nolemanb
I agree with you that one day's rest isn't enough for the pitching staff to completely recover.
In MLB, it's a best of 7 series with days off after Game 2. Pitching has a chance to recover.
But, it's fair to both teams. We both pitched 9 innings Friday and Saturday.
If LSU is going to win Game 1, it's going to be a total team win. Johnny Wholestaff will likely be comprised of 6 pitchers - all of them will have to do their part to keep us in the game.
And our bats, our bats are going to have to be there for us tonight.
And the defense --- we may need a couple of awesome plays defensively tonight to hang in there. A couple of double plays to get us out of a couple of jams.
Our Top 2 starters need the rest. While Florida's #1 may not be available at all.
It sucks for both teams in that regard.
In MLB, it's a best of 7 series with days off after Game 2. Pitching has a chance to recover.
But, it's fair to both teams. We both pitched 9 innings Friday and Saturday.
If LSU is going to win Game 1, it's going to be a total team win. Johnny Wholestaff will likely be comprised of 6 pitchers - all of them will have to do their part to keep us in the game.
And our bats, our bats are going to have to be there for us tonight.
And the defense --- we may need a couple of awesome plays defensively tonight to hang in there. A couple of double plays to get us out of a couple of jams.
Our Top 2 starters need the rest. While Florida's #1 may not be available at all.
It sucks for both teams in that regard.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:04 pm to nolemanb
I said the same thing last week and got blasted for it. If Florida won on Friday this board would be going nuts right now that it's not fair Faedo would be able to pitch game one.
Personally regardless of the teams I think for the championship series both teams should be at full rest. I think it could be done in the same time frame as the 12 days the CWS is now. There should be 2-3 games played a day instead of the one day this bracket plays and the next day this bracket plays. We had one game Wed. and Thurs. of last week.
There is just one problem that is the reason for this mess. TV ratings and they trump all other decisions. Spread the games out where more games are played only in the weekday afternoons to fill low viewership time for sports.
Personally regardless of the teams I think for the championship series both teams should be at full rest. I think it could be done in the same time frame as the 12 days the CWS is now. There should be 2-3 games played a day instead of the one day this bracket plays and the next day this bracket plays. We had one game Wed. and Thurs. of last week.
There is just one problem that is the reason for this mess. TV ratings and they trump all other decisions. Spread the games out where more games are played only in the weekday afternoons to fill low viewership time for sports.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:09 pm to wheelz007
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Johnny Wholestaff will likely be comprised of 6 pitchers
A fellow "fan" thought this was a real person
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:13 pm to LSU ATC
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I said the same thing last week and got blasted for it. If Florida won on Friday this board would be going nuts right now that it's not fair Faedo would be able to pitch game one.
I don't think anyone would have said that was unfair. It would suck, but had they won, they took care of business and LSU didn't.
They also had a day less rest. They played
Sunday-Tuesday-Friday-Saturday
LSU played
Saturday-Monday-Wednesday-Friday-Saturday
If they'd have played the Saturday and pitched Faedo Friday, they could have won Friday and still had Faedo back Wednesday same as Lange.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:38 pm to southernelite
Appreciate the responses. The issue I have boils down to not what is fair or not fair - our current format gives each team a four-team bracket and one days rest. You go undefeated in your bracket and get more rest because of it - that's the format you play in.
The real issue I have is if we're going to have a true series, lets go good on good. 1's vs 1's and so forth. I guess the better question would be: what would you rather see: A three-game series with each teams 1-2-3 (if necessary) fully rested or the scenario of tonight's match-up? If you answer is 1-2-3 rested, then the questions becomes, why haven't we gone to this and what can be done to improve upon the current format.
The real issue I have is if we're going to have a true series, lets go good on good. 1's vs 1's and so forth. I guess the better question would be: what would you rather see: A three-game series with each teams 1-2-3 (if necessary) fully rested or the scenario of tonight's match-up? If you answer is 1-2-3 rested, then the questions becomes, why haven't we gone to this and what can be done to improve upon the current format.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:37 pm to nolemanb
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Can you imagine Major League Baseball having one day off between the AL / NL Championship Series before the start of the World Series?
Absolutely I can. Because it's the way it works if a series goes the full length.
In 2015 had the NLCS gone 7 games they would have had only 1 off day
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And same for 2016 had the NLCS gone 7 games, there is only 1 off day.
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