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re: Center field next year
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:05 am to Tigahs1977
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:05 am to Tigahs1977
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Idc what their 60 times are, Greg is the slowest "fastest guy on the team" I've seen in decades. He's improved greatly at 1st base.
Cause you don't need to run when you are dropping bombs
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Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:25 am to Lester Earl
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Yea, he decides to run slower when he puts on baseball pants. You're a smart one, you. And you say that running in a straight line isn't applicable in baseball? I didn't think you could 1-up your comments from last night, but damn dude.
You are misquoting him right and left, Lester. He didn't say, or imply, either of the things you attribute to him here.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:50 am to Penrod
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You are misquoting him right and left, Lester. He didn't say, or imply, either of the things you attribute to him here.
I didnt misquote him, for he gave nothing to back up what he said. I had to just assume what he was talking about.
to say that a 60 time doesnt translate to baseball is ridiculous. Speed is speed. Greg Deichmann can really run and every scout that watches him knows that. He's faster than Kramer, he was faster than Bregman and Laird who stole 38 and 24 bases respectively last year.
I know that doesnt automatically mean he is a good base runner, or great at stealing bases. That still doesn't take away that he is fast. The guy grounds into 1 huge double play in March and people think that means he cant run.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:27 am to Lester Earl
quote:do you? Because that's all we are trying to say. And that's exactly what it means when people say "it doesn't translate to the field". He can run well 180 feet in a straight line. That's great. He beat Laird in a 60 once. Grand. A scout doesn't care about those numbers if they don't mean stolen bases and triples and good angles and quick feet.
I know that doesnt automatically mean he is a good base runner, or great at stealing bases.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:38 am to ell_13
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And that's exactly what it means when people say "it doesn't translate to the field".
I dont think he is a bad baserunner. He just isnt great at stealing bases.
That doesnt make him "not fast", which people have repeatedly said.
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A scout doesn't care about those numbers if they don't mean stolen bases and triples and good angles and quick feet.
he's tied for 2nd on the team in triples. Duplantis and Fraley are the only ones with more. Cole Freeman is tied with him for 3. See a pattern here? Those are the 4 fastest guys on the team.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:51 am to Lester Earl
Tied for 3rd*
Fraley has 10 doubles, 5 triples
Dup has 7 doubles, 5 triples
Freeman has 6 doubles, 3 triples
Deichmann has 14 doubles, 3 triples
See a pattern there? Now two things of note. Kramer has 22 doubles and only 2 triples. There's a relation there. Kramer pulls the ball to the gap and as a righty it's tougher to take third when hitting it to that side. On the same note, greg's doubles are also pulled. Shouldn't he be at 3rd more??
Same group SBs:
Fraley is 28-37
Dup is 13-20
Freeman is 26-35
Deichmann 5-11
Fraley has 10 doubles, 5 triples
Dup has 7 doubles, 5 triples
Freeman has 6 doubles, 3 triples
Deichmann has 14 doubles, 3 triples
See a pattern there? Now two things of note. Kramer has 22 doubles and only 2 triples. There's a relation there. Kramer pulls the ball to the gap and as a righty it's tougher to take third when hitting it to that side. On the same note, greg's doubles are also pulled. Shouldn't he be at 3rd more??
Same group SBs:
Fraley is 28-37
Dup is 13-20
Freeman is 26-35
Deichmann 5-11
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:10 am to ell_13
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See a pattern there? Now two things of note. Kramer has 22 doubles and only 2 triples. There's a relation there. Kramer pulls the ball to the gap and as a righty it's tougher to take third when hitting it to that side. On the same note, greg's doubles are also pulled. Shouldn't he be at 3rd more??
You're the one saying scouts are looking for triples. Now you are going to concede he gets triples because he is left handed?
Im going to say relative to Fraley and Duplantis, that no, he shouldnt have many more triples. Both of those guys are faster than he is, and put the ball in play more consistently, and only have 5 for the year. Not to mention both have way more plate appearances than Greg does.
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Same group SBs:
Fraley is 28-37
Dup is 13-20
Freeman is 26-35
Deichmann 5-11
we already know he isnt a great base stealer. It's something he needs to work on. He's been successful in fall ball intra squads the last 2 years taking bases. It will come eventually.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:20 am to ell_13
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On the same note, greg's doubles are also pulled. Shouldn't he be at 3rd more??
I'm not knocking the kid and glad he is showing improvement but like I wrote the other day he just doesn't exhibit the instinctive traits in the field or on the base paths, but he is far from the only one with the base stealing challenges. Given his superior power to drive the ball deep in the gaps compared to his team mates, yes, one would think he if he possesses top speed he would be a terror on the base paths out of the box. If he had gotten more playing time last season it would have helped, and this shite is way more difficult, especially mentally, for many young players than us "fans" want to to give credit for. Still think if he gets a lot more reps @ 1b it could become more second nature for him vs having to think every scenario through which it appears like he is doing. I'm glad his season is on a upswing and the team is having good fortune. #nomomidgets@1B
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:23 am to Lester Earl
quote:I didn't concede that. I'm pointing out that he DOESN'T get as many triples as he should compared to the other 3 when most of his doubles are to the right side.
You're the one saying scouts are looking for triples. Now you are going to concede he gets triples because he is left handed?
quote:Didn't Deichmann beat Fraley in that 60 you reference when you say he's faster than Laird? And Duplantis isn't exactly a gap guy. But when he does get it there, there's close to a 50/50 shot he's going to 3rd. Finally, Deichmann has 228 ABs compared to about 260 for both Fraley and Duplantis. Hardly some huge disparity and definitely not "way more". ETA: Freeman has 209 ABs. Which is who he's tied with.
Both of those guys are faster than he is, and put the ball in play more consistently, and only have 5 for the year. Not to mention both have way more plate appearances than Greg does.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:23 am to TigerRuss
Does the batters eye get a makeover?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:32 am to ell_13
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Didn't Deichmann beat Fraley in that 60 you reference when you say he's faster than Laird?
No, Fraley was faster.
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Finally, Deichmann has 228 ABs compared to about 260 for both Fraley and Duplantis. Hardly some huge disparity and definitely not "way more".
thats 7 or 8 full games worth of at bats.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 11:34 am to Lester Earl
Okay? A 13% difference. Yet 67% more triples. 
ETA:
Doing some stats to back this up. None of the 4 have had a triple since Northwestern on May 17th. I'll have a full breakdown in a second. But up until this point, you can already see a trend. Fraley has hit 11 balls to RF with a split of 6 doubles and 5 triples. Duplantis has hit 7 balls with a split of 2 doubles; 5 triples. Freeman only has 1 ball hit down the RF line that went for a double. His 3 triples were all to the left side. Deichmann has hit 10 to RF, 8 doubles; 2 triples. Obviously, as I finish this, only the doubles mark will increase.
ETA:
Doing some stats to back this up. None of the 4 have had a triple since Northwestern on May 17th. I'll have a full breakdown in a second. But up until this point, you can already see a trend. Fraley has hit 11 balls to RF with a split of 6 doubles and 5 triples. Duplantis has hit 7 balls with a split of 2 doubles; 5 triples. Freeman only has 1 ball hit down the RF line that went for a double. His 3 triples were all to the left side. Deichmann has hit 10 to RF, 8 doubles; 2 triples. Obviously, as I finish this, only the doubles mark will increase.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:41 pm to ell_13
Power hitters don't typically get out of the batter's box as fast bc they stay on their back leg longer thru the swing. I wouldn't want someone like Deichman trying to get out of the box quickly. I want him to sit on that back leg and drive the ball first and worry about getting out of the box second. Could explain the difference in triples.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:52 pm to StatMaster
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. Could explain the difference in triples.
yea, i mean its not like he has zero. The only ones ahead of him happen to be 2 of the 3 guys that are actually faster than Greg.
ive watched Deichman since dixie youth, thru high school, and the only people that have ever called him slow are rantards. Go figure. Even when facts legitimately back up that he has really good speed, they try and discredit it because he didnt beat out a double play in march then killed a rally.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:01 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Who has called him slow? I haven't.
the only people that have ever called him slow are rantards
quote:Facts:
Even when facts
He's 5 for 11 in stolen base. Bad at steals. And when he hits it to the right side, he's not getting to 3B nearly as often as Fraley or Duplantis while all 3 of Freeman's triples are to the left side.
He's not slow. But his speed doesn't translate as well as it should. I've never mentioned the GIDP.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:06 pm to ell_13
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Who has called him slow? I haven't.
from page 2
He's not fast on the bases. He's not quick on the field. He can beat the pitchers and catchers and twins in a race around the bases. Throw in Ried. No one else.
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And when he hits it to the right side, he's not getting to 3B nearly as often as Fraley or Duplantis while all 3 of Freeman's triples are to the left side.
you are knocking him because he doesn't hit triples "easier" than the 3 guys on the team that are actually faster than he is?
that's like knocking his power because Jordan Romero hits HRs more frequently. None of it makes sense.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:21 pm to Lester Earl
quote:= not good on the bases. Not good at stealing... Hey, didn't you say the exact same thing a couple posts up? Hmmm.
He's not fast on the bases
quote:So that leaves, Fraley, Breaux, KRob, Duplantis, Freeman. I guess I missed Wofford who's definitely slower around the bases.
He can beat the pitchers and catchers and twins in a race around the bases. Throw in Ried. No one else.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:33 pm to ell_13
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= not good on the bases. Not good at stealing... Hey, didn't you say the exact same thing a couple posts up? Hmmm.
The statement i made was a general statement reflective on what you, or whoever I was responding to, was saying. Just that I know having speed doesnt mean you are a great base runner or good at stealing bases. I wasn't talking directly about Greg. Though as I cleared up, he isnt a great base stealer. That doesnt mean he isnt fast home to 1st, or 1st to 3rd. He is more than adequate running the bases, just not stealing bags.
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So that leaves, Fraley, Breaux, KRob, Duplantis, Freeman. I guess I missed Wofford who's definitely slower around the bases.
I appreciate your boldness when you make statements or make player evaluations, for the most part, but damn dude, when you get it wrong, you really get it wrong, and this time you are wrong again. It looks like Deichman will be returning, Im just going to put this one in my back pocket and see what comes up in year 2 of starting, and going into next years draft. If you feel the same then, we can re-visit.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:42 pm to Lester Earl
I don't care who it is just as long as they can get the ball back to the infield without it bouncing 2-3 times.
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