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Can someone explain why our 3rd down defense is so porous?

Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:53 am
Posted by RollTigers
Member since Dec 2010
3274 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:53 am
I don't understand what it is we're doing that is so ineffective. I've seen lots of "3rd and Chavis" but this isn't something I noticed before last year at the Alabama game. Is this something we've been doing since Chavis got here?

What is the defensive scheme we're using and what is it that makes it easy to throw for first downs against it?
Posted by JTA1985
Member since Feb 2012
3191 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:54 am to
They cover no one
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60296 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:55 am to
You didn't notice? You obviously weren't watching LSU then. This dates back to his days at Tennessee.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:55 am to
And they get no pressure on the opposing qb which makes it look like a fricking prevent but it is not one just shitty defense
This post was edited on 10/20/13 at 8:57 am
Posted by RollTigers
Member since Dec 2010
3274 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:55 am to
I mean schematically, X's and O's
Posted by LuzianaFootball
Bay Area
Member since Dec 2008
7846 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:56 am to
Because most of the time we still have Barrow and Welter on the field.
Posted by tigabait01
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
4734 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:56 am to
We play a zone defense behind 3 or 4 rushing lineman and a defensive back blitzing around the OT who never gets any pressure. Then the LB's fake a blitz and back into zones, but the receivers are all past them at that point, so it doesn't work.
Posted by lsuag88
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2006
3502 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:56 am to
THIRD AND CHAVIS IS NOT FREAKIN FUNNY ANYMORE! It has cost us our last 4 losses. I am done with the Chief! Time for new philosophy, ie new D.
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:57 am to
Our secondary are young, they simply haven't learn to cover yet. We have to go with what we have this year & hope for improvement next year.
Posted by Alatgr
Mobeezy, Alabizzle
Member since Sep 2005
17660 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:57 am to
Giving the WRs all day to get open and the QB all day to throw by rushing 4 is a big part of the problem at times.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:58 am to
quote:

We play a zone defense behind 3 or 4 rushing lineman and a defensive back blitzing around the OT who never gets any pressure. Then the LB's fake a blitz and back into zones, but the receivers are all past them at that point, so it doesn't work.


Spot the frick on. Its the only thing we do on 3rd down
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4936 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:59 am to
Lack of talent.
Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
5977 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:01 am to
Chavis runs a lot of loose zone on third and longer. The thought it to prevent a big play and also allow his DBs to make plays on the ball.

The problem is, teams know we are doing it, and know how to attack it.

Case in point - I saw this at least three times last night on 2nd or third and long.

Ole miss has two WR to one side. WE have a LB "lined" up on the WR - but he's lined up five yards inside of him. WE have a CB lined up five yards off of the outside WR. The Safety is 12-15 yards back (i.e. already way beyond the first down). The outside WR runs a deep deep, bringing CB deeper. The inside WR runs an out right at the first down marker.

The Safety has no shot to make the play (and most likely has deep coverage anyway). Even if he did, the WR/CB running the deep route keeps him from being able to get there to defend - he has to go through them.

The timing of it makes it so that the CB, if his responsibility is to hand off the deep running WR to the safety, doesn't have time or the awareness to instantly pick up the guy thats just entered his zone. The ball has already been thrown before he even knows he has a man to pick up.

So regardless of whether the CB is playing deep route or the safety is, the two possible coverages with that lineup make it impossible to stop a well executed throw. Ole Miss executed it.

Easy play
Easy Throw
Easy Catch
Easy First Down
Easy Momentum


Posted by RollTigers
Member since Dec 2010
3274 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:01 am to
quote:

We play a zone defense behind 3 or 4 rushing lineman and a defensive back blitzing around the OT who never gets any pressure. Then the LB's fake a blitz and back into zones, but the receivers are all past them at that point, so it doesn't work.


Thanks
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79087 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:05 am to
quote:

Lack of talent.


Completely agree which is contrary to most of what people think here. Every f'ing tackle is a shoestring tackle in the secondary - it's atrocious.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44562 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:05 am to
inconsistent pass rush, mediocre - bad cover guys on the back end. bad combo.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:05 am to
Third and long is particularly bad for us. Chief never brings more than 4 guys to pressure and since our d-line is one of the more overhyped d-lines in the country with Freak and Ego being good but not great, we get no pressure on the QB.

This, in turn, causes our DBs and awful linebacking corps to cover for longer and defend a pass from an unharrassed QB. Most SEC QBs are too good to let sit in the pocket and see the field so well. And for whatever fricking reason, our DBs sit back in zone well passed the first down marker. Throwing a ten yard out route or crossing pattern becomes pitch and catch against our guys sitting 13 yards deep.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Lack of talent.


Completely agree which is contrary to most of what people think here. Every f'ing tackle is a shoestring tackle in the secondary - it's atrocious


That's not a lack of talent. They do need to learn to tackle, though. I mean frick.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60296 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:09 am to
Here you go. This was when he was at Tennessee. Nothing has changed. LINK
Posted by LuzianaFootball
Bay Area
Member since Dec 2008
7846 posts
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:35 pm to
Does Rasco deserve some blame here as well? How many sacks does he have?
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