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Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:16 pm to memphis tiger
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Well we do play 12-14 games a year now, when in the past it was 10-12 max. so the more wins in less time argument doesn't really work.
So 10 wins is pretty much the new 8. Not bad, but not as good as it can be.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:17 pm to Salmon
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I just don't fault kids for entering the draft if it's what is best for their future.
In quite a few cases, it might not be.
Blinded by dollar signs and people talking in their ears giving bad advice. Sam was not ready. Trev Faulk was not ready. I do not think Ego or Freak are ready. JMO
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:21 pm to memphis tiger
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so the more wins in less time argument doesn't really work.
Yes it does - he has the best winning percentage, too, just under 80%, at least of anyone who coached more than 2 seasons. There would be an argument about more games per season, if his winning percentage was less than 75%.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:22 pm to mikedatyger
I think this is more of an issue for guys who are ready (Hill and OBJ) and guys who need the money (Simon last year, possibly Hilliard this year)
I think Hill, OBJ, Freak, and Collins leave.
50/50 on Juice and Hilliard.
Edit: I don't think Freak is ready but NFL guys will love his size not his college stats. In the end I think they believe they can work with his raw skill set.
I think Hill, OBJ, Freak, and Collins leave.
50/50 on Juice and Hilliard.
Edit: I don't think Freak is ready but NFL guys will love his size not his college stats. In the end I think they believe they can work with his raw skill set.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:25 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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So 10 wins is pretty much the new 8. Not bad, but not as good as it can be.
No it isn't. 8 wins and what, 3 losses? That's 72%. 10-3 is just under 77%, and Miles averages 10 1/2 wins a season (although that may drop as low as 10 1/3 if he doesn't win another game in 2013) - which is right at 80%.
Let's try to use our brains. 13 wins (1 season), 12 wins (1 season), 11 wins (3 times) - that level of winning has never...been...done at LSU.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:26 pm to tigamike
For the remainder of the year the goal should be to get AJ and the younger guys meaningful reps.
ODB, Landry, Hill, Collins should go. We have plenty of young WR talent and if we can snag D. Williams for a year that should help w/ our young QB's development. CLM can make an argument for Hill and Collins to stick around to improve their stock w/ another year. I don't think either will stay.
Freak and Ego sounded like they were gone during fall camp. Their loss will hurt the most. The rotation at DT will be up for grabs for the first time in years. I do not know why we are not parked outside of the top JUCO DT's door. Gerald Willis will play next year but he wants to play DE.
Hilliard should stay b/c LF and McGhee cannot carry the team for the entire season; therefore, Hilliard should expect to see more carries. Frankly, I do not see how we can afford to pass on Darrel Williams.
ODB, Landry, Hill, Collins should go. We have plenty of young WR talent and if we can snag D. Williams for a year that should help w/ our young QB's development. CLM can make an argument for Hill and Collins to stick around to improve their stock w/ another year. I don't think either will stay.
Freak and Ego sounded like they were gone during fall camp. Their loss will hurt the most. The rotation at DT will be up for grabs for the first time in years. I do not know why we are not parked outside of the top JUCO DT's door. Gerald Willis will play next year but he wants to play DE.
Hilliard should stay b/c LF and McGhee cannot carry the team for the entire season; therefore, Hilliard should expect to see more carries. Frankly, I do not see how we can afford to pass on Darrel Williams.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:26 pm to TigersforEver
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How about finishing what they started in college first?
The risk of injury.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:28 pm to tigamike
Hill/Beckham/Landry
It's all a pipe dream. Beckham and Landry are gone.
It's all a pipe dream. Beckham and Landry are gone.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:31 pm to TheWinBar
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You will see a similarity to last year this season. Disgruntled talented players leaving earlier than they really should because they are not utilized correctly due to the ineptness of coaching. And, Les has to go for it to change.
Agreed +100. These players don't see a championship if they stay. The money talks louder at that point.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:37 pm to TigersforEver
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How about finishing what they started in college first?
You're thinking with your heart.
They're thinking about their checkbooks.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:41 pm to Kcrad
One could argue that they are not disgruntled but instead they have people wanting to pay them money to do what they are doing for free. If they are talented enough to achieve their ultimate dream why stay? A championship is nice but that isn't the ultimate goal in their football careers.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:48 pm to Baloo
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And you know how you get a second contract? By being taken in the first two rounds. Guys taken after the 3rd round face a huge uphill climb of getting a long enough look to even get a shot at real playing time, much less a second contract.
I completely agree, and I think it's the only pitch that works, but it's tough when the money is already on the table. For every example of a guy jumping to the first two rounds with another year there's a Barkley. How well would you have listened at 21 when someone was giving you good advice? The hard reality is MOST college players will never even sniff success in the NFL, but the current setup was fought for tooth and nail by the owners so that it would cost them less money to weed out the busts, and draft grades don't reflect NFL success. A player sees a fourth round grade and thinks "I'm getting drafted!" while a GM sees a fourth round pick as a tryout. Owners are in no hurry to correct the misunderstanding, and it will take a while for it to sink in at the college level.
I'll say it again because I think it's the foundation of my point, they ALL think they're Mingo and not Sam. They all think they'll be the guy who makes it to that second contract no matter where they're drafted. Combine that with the allure of immediate money, and it's over.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 3:55 pm to tigamike
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Stand to lose a lot of punch on offense like we did off of our defense last year. I think Miles needs to convince some guys to stick around!
Who would be your top 3 targets between Hill / Hilliard / Beckham / Landry / Collins?
Defensively that should be easy if they show them the tape. No juniors should leave on the defensive side. Offensively it would be wrong to ask Landry or beckham to come back after the. Cellent seasons they are having. There stock is not likely to improve any more next year and they risk injury. Hill should go to because he will lose carries next year if Fournette comes, and he is having a very good year. Collins is the only one who can really raise his stock a little higher by having an extra year at LT.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 4:03 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I'll say it again because I think it's the foundation of my point, they ALL think they're Mingo and not Sam.
But that makes no sense. Once you go to the committee that tells you your likely draft grade, you already know whether you're Sam or Mingo. If you get a 1st round grade, godspeed. Go to the NFL. No one is stopping you.
But if you don't get a 1st round grade, now it's time to think. Look at Bennie Logan. And he's one of the SUCCESS STORIES. Look at your draft grade, then make a decision. If you're being told 3rd round, you're not Mingo. Mingo was a top ten pick. Top ten picks have different rules.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 4:10 pm to TheWinBar
I don't think it's just about disgruntled players. The set up for rookies in the NFL is now different. They don't get that huge 1st contract anymore. What matters is your 2nd contract. Hurry up get to the NFL early and get to your 2nd contract a year earlier. Could this be the reasoning? Just a thought. It may not necessarily be about Les or LSU.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 4:14 pm to tigamike
If I could only pick 3 it would be Beckham, Landry and Collins. Foolishly Im thinking Leonard Fournette will be the exact same back as Hill (hopefully).
Posted on 11/12/13 at 4:55 pm to Baloo
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But that makes no sense. Once you go to the committee that tells you your likely draft grade, you already know whether you're Sam or Mingo. If you get a 1st round grade, godspeed. Go to the NFL. No one is stopping you.
I'd be willing to bet Mingo and Sam got very similar draft grades, as this time last year they were both projected first rounders. That's why I used them as examples. Sam slipped down because of some of his comments, combine numbers, and most likely the interview process. Point being that a draft grade is a rough projection while some players think it's a sure thing and affirmation of their success in the NFL. They've been told they're the best at what they do all the way up until that point, so advice might fall on deaf ears.
Beckham may be the best example of this. He'll probably get a decent draft grade as a return man, but in the league they're a dime a dozen. He would be a legend at LSU if he returned but a 3rd round grade will probably be enough. I don't see him going the distance as an undersized guy with good hands, but some team will take a shot on him and if he's average they'll cut him loose in a year. Ask him, and he probably thinks he's going to be this year's Tavon Austin.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 4:59 pm to tigamike
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Can Miles convince some of our Juniors to stick around?
That question is easy to answer, look at how well he did last year convincing anyone to stick around. He got Sheppard to stay, and then he fricked him and didn't play him.
He has no shot of keeping any juniors, they all see he can't win titles anymore, they aren't going to stick around and risk injury.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 8:07 am to Ace Midnight
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No it isn't. 8 wins and what, 3 losses? That's 72%. 10-3 is just under 77%, and Miles averages 10 1/2 wins a season (although that may drop as low as 10 1/3 if he doesn't win another game in 2013) - which is right at 80%.
Regardless, 10-wins no longer has the prestige it once had. It's still admirable, however.
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Let's try to use our brains. 13 wins (1 season), 12 wins (1 season), 11 wins (3 times) - that level of winning has never...been...done at LSU.
What does this really have to do with anything going forward? Les is floundering; I hope he can right the ship.
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