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re: Cameron Needs To Produce Or Else
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:39 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:39 am to ShortyRob
I would say over 80% of D1 FB teams have less talent than LSU on offense. AJ is surrounded by talent AND he was considered to be talented coming out of high school, as were many others that have come here in the last 10 years and not lived up to their recruiting rankings. Sure some of those will be busts but for LSU fans to think we are snake bit at the QB position is crazy. They aren't being developed or the coaches aren't utilizing their strengths.
With the running game we have and the way defenses stack the box there should be no reason LSU can't take a terrible QB and not make him look better than he really is. Teams are doing it all over the country with less talent.
With the running game we have and the way defenses stack the box there should be no reason LSU can't take a terrible QB and not make him look better than he really is. Teams are doing it all over the country with less talent.
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:43 am to ShortyRob
a whole lot of coaches would have loved to be a able to field this level of talent on offense and they would have gotton a hell of a lot more out of it than what we saw with Cam. NOt impressed with Cam so far. Anyone could have made 2013's offense look good. The real test was working with the relative inexperience of the 2014 offense. Big time fail. However change seems to be in the air to the 2015 offense. Just not sure how far they can go with changes though with Cam/Miles running it. They both seem stuck in the past at their inner core.
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 8:44 am
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:51 am to sicboy
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Do you think anyone could have gotten anything out of AJ?
harris has a full year of experience in the offense. no reason why he shouldn't be producing next year
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:52 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Agreed. In fact, I think 80% is low. I think that number is higher.
I would say over 80% of D1 FB teams have less talent than LSU on offense
quote:This is part of coaching in college. Evaluating guys. At best, at this point, it can be said that our coaches whiffed on 3QBs and that's if you exclude Rivers by thinking he was simply brought in for depth.
AJ is surrounded by talent AND he was considered to be talented coming out of high school, as were many others that have come here in the last 10 years and not lived up to their recruiting rankings
quote:I don't think we're snake bit in recruiting. Snake bit assumes it's an accident.
Sure some of those will be busts but for LSU fans to think we are snake bit at the QB position is crazy.
quote:This is very possible. What may well be possible that no one wants to talk about is that this recruiting fail may be related to how QB recruits in general view Miles. We may well just not be drawing interest like we should. Recruiting really does go both ways. Sure, we haven't had a bunch of guys "reject" us but it isn't as if we'd offer a guy who told us out of the gates not to call him again. Let's be honest here. Anyone denying that at least SOME top QB recruits laugh out loud when LSU calls is to put one's head in the sand. I can tell you for certain that if my kid was a QB and Miles called, I'd hang up.
They aren't being developed or the coaches aren't utilizing their strengths.
quote:Which probably every decent QB in high school knows too. So, given that knowledge and then watching actual results, what do ya think such a HS kid thinks of LSU right now?
With the running game we have and the way defenses stack the box there should be no reason LSU can't take a terrible QB and not make him look better than he really is.
Right now, LSU is almost certainly viewed by QB recruits as a place that will get the minimum out of whatever talent they have.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 8:58 am to mnevils
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I don't see the return for the 1.3M this guy makes. He needs to produce or hit the bricks. Miles needs coaches not friends at this point
i can agree , that he needs to produce .... but we all knew it would be an offensive that struggled this year ... we came into the season as bare at the skilled positions than we ever been ....
and i think he did a bad job with the qbs , but after two seasons he had one really good year and one poor year ...
i see people posting that he had success his first year because of the talent we had .... well you should expect it to be a drop off with all the new starters this year ...
if he fails this next season then we have problems ...
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:01 am to mnevils
Miles IS the offensive coordinator. Has been since Crowton was here. The guy doesn't let his offensive leaders lead... or even think for themselves for that matter.
I have been one of the most staunch supporters of Miles in the past, and finally, this year it is clear that something is up with him. He really is holding back offensive production.
I have been one of the most staunch supporters of Miles in the past, and finally, this year it is clear that something is up with him. He really is holding back offensive production.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:02 am to section414
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but we all knew it would be an offensive that struggled this year ... we came into the season as bare at the skilled positions than we ever been ....
sure
but the problem is the brandon harris factor. that situation was obviously completely mishandled. for a very highly paid OC, that's inexcusable
on top of it, our #1 rival hires a new OC and has its own offensive turnover, and the new OC turns a former RB into a better QB than our all-star QB from 2013. he makes less money than our OC, too. why can't we do that?
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if he fails this next season then we have problems ...
that's basically what this thread is about
there are no excuses next year. you have an upperclassmen in AJ or a super talented 2nd year guy in BH
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:06 am to easy money
Can't make sugar outta shite. Hard to believe Harris is not ready. Does he not even remember the plays in which he produced scores? Foolery! Get this kid ready Cam.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:07 am to section414
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well you should expect it to be a drop off with all the new starters this year ...
new starters is the nature of college football. Teams deal with that year in year out. No reason for the bottom to fall out.
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but after two seasons he had one really good year
wasn't so great and even if you really do believe that it was, big deal. Who couldn't make an offense look good with experienced NFL talent, most of it NFL super star talent, at every skill position on offense.
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if he fails this next season then we have problems ...
we have problems now but lets give him a chance to make changes, get with the program, and produce something that opposing defenses fear. He's going to have a lot to work with next year. No more excuses.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:09 am to Topwater Trout
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I would say over 80% of D1 FB teams have less talent than LSU on offense. AJ is surrounded by talent AND he was considered to be talented coming out of high school, as were many others that have come here in the last 10 years and not lived up to their recruiting rankings
we cannot go by the past 10 years when the thread is about a coach thats only been here two years ...
lets face it , magee and hilliard were role players , back ups at best ...
and we had a great rb in fournette but early on you could see he was adjusting to the collage game ...
at receiver we returned one player with experience ...
cam should not be held accountable for the years we didnt develop players or had bad offenses ....
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:10 am to easy money
Cam is a big disappointment to me. I thought he would run a more open offense.One thing for sure is he sure don't know how to coach a QB! 
Flame away pumpers.
Flame away pumpers.This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:15 am to ShortyRob
I love your head in the sand comment since I think a majority of our fans do that...well the pumpers at least. I never see them but on this board because almost all the lsu fans I know IRL have the same views I do with the QB and offensive play we have had.
There isn't a media outlet that ever says LSU has a great offense. Offense has always been out weakness to every expert across the country. Some of our fans just can't face reality.
As great as the offense was last year ( I think we underachieved based on the talent) I would like one pumper to name one game the offense won for LSU.
There isn't a media outlet that ever says LSU has a great offense. Offense has always been out weakness to every expert across the country. Some of our fans just can't face reality.
As great as the offense was last year ( I think we underachieved based on the talent) I would like one pumper to name one game the offense won for LSU.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:16 am to boxcar willie
There will always be excuses for miles and cam. They could go 3-10 next year and some would still be defending them and posting useless records from years ago.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:21 am to boxcar willie
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new starters is the nature of college football. Teams deal with that year in year out. No reason for the bottom to fall out
and how many of those teams produce with a new qb . rb and only return one receiver that got limited playing time ....
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wasn't so great and even if you really do believe that it was, big deal. Who couldn't make an offense look good with experienced NFL talent, most of it NFL super star talent, at every skill position on offense
wasnt great a 3000 yard passer , two 1000 yard receivers and a 1000 yard running back .... and you say big deal ... i would take that any year ....
hill , becham , landry and mett were all here in 2012 so why didnt they put up those numbers that year ....
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:24 am to section414
If he is such a great coach explain why he had such a terrible offense this year. Surely a great offensive mind would be able to field an offense that would be more productive than this years offense.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:29 am to Topwater Trout
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As great as the offense was last year ( I think we underachieved based on the talent) I would like one pumper to name one game the offense won for LSU
florida , miss state , and every other win that year .... the defense cost us georgia and bama
so they were great and underachieved .....
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:30 am to mnevils
Its amazing that he continues to get a pass. Its like LSu fans make up their minds after about an hour on a guy then try for decades to say they were right.
A million a yr for that offensive play? Not a formula for success. One could possibly overlook masterminding a bottom 5 QB situation....
But to not clearly the see accuracy and arm strength issues sooner and not throw some short easy passes to a big TE target or the RB in the flat on occasion is a head scratcher. We were in like game 5-6 and we were still running 7 step drop routes? It took the bowl game to throw to a big talented TE with an inaccurate unpoised QB?
Add in neither QB seemed to make any significant development moving forward and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who could do this trying to.
A million a yr for that offensive play? Not a formula for success. One could possibly overlook masterminding a bottom 5 QB situation....
But to not clearly the see accuracy and arm strength issues sooner and not throw some short easy passes to a big TE target or the RB in the flat on occasion is a head scratcher. We were in like game 5-6 and we were still running 7 step drop routes? It took the bowl game to throw to a big talented TE with an inaccurate unpoised QB?
Add in neither QB seemed to make any significant development moving forward and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who could do this trying to.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:36 am to Topwater Trout
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If he is such a great coach explain why he had such a terrible offense this year. Surely a great offensive mind would be able to field an offense that would be more productive than this years offense.
i already posted a lot had to do with young talent ...
i never said he was a great coach , i posted that we shouldnt blame cam for all the bad qb play we have had at lsu because hes only been here two years ...
i even stated that i thought he had one good and one poor year so he should be given more time before we want to run him out the door ...
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:37 am to sicboy
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Do you think anyone could have gotten anything out of AJ?
Maybe he and Les should recruit some quarterbacks, then. Whose fault is it that there have been numerous quarterbacks signed, but none have panned out?
It's hard for the Miles Supporters to grasp, but look around. Either recruit or develop some qb's.
While they are at it, get more than two serviceable linebackers; find a way to throw to the 6 TE's before game 13; and get a DL coach that can produce a pass rush.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Right on point! I am with you.
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