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re: Cam Robinson High Ankle Sprain

Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:51 pm to
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LSU =/= Louisiana.


The math doesn't work that way at my house.

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There are plenty of people born/bred in the state (ULL, Tulane, etc) who can't stand LSU.


He didn't go to ULM, ULL, Tulane, etc. He went to Bama.

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Depending Robinson's coaches


West Monroe is not known as an anti-LSU high school or coaching staff - at least not until the Cams of 2014. Part of it is we didn't push for Sims harder - Bama was able to swing a non-family package deal. Good for them. Good riddance all the same.

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Many blacks in Louisiana couldn't give less of a damn about LSU until the late 90s


Lol wut? The entire SEC desegregated in the 1970s. LSU fielded an entirely black defensive starting lineup in 1979 - the "Soul Patrol".

Heck, we've already gotten our first black legacy players - Odell Beckham, Jr., as an example.

I reject the assessment, having been around black LSU fans for over 40 years.

This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:52 pm to
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And he wanted to play left tackle which Bama was offering him.


He would have played 2 to 3 years at Left Tackle at LSU.

NFL teams want players who can play multiple positions on the OL. All of that is a positive. He wanted to leave. Good riddance.
Posted by Vito Andolini
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:54 pm to
karma
Posted by Pauldean
Red Stick by way of Syracuse
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:05 pm to
NavyTiger has it right.

We all should really step back for a second. These kids are making choices as teenagers that will affect them and their families for years to come. We have all made similar choices. To ridicule and judge someone for that choice from a high horse is a bit unfair. As long as the man didn't mislead or deceive, which there is no evidence he did.

That being said, I will always root for Alabama to go 0-12, and CamRob will be Tigerbait once a year.

I hope he gets better. In three weeks.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:07 pm to
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Lol wut? The entire SEC desegregated in the 1970s. LSU fielded an entirely black defensive starting lineup in 1979 - the "Soul Patrol".

Heck, we've already gotten our first black legacy players - Odell Beckham, Jr., as an example.

I reject the assessment, having been around black LSU fans for over 40 years.


I'm well aware of how long black players have been playing for LSU. I'm conveying that even though my mom and dad were staunch fans (mom is an alumn), many of their brothers and sisters, cousins, family, etc (dad is almost 70) came along at a time when blacks mostly cheered for SWAC schools and didn't give a shite about LSU. That's not to say that LSU didn't get some great players who had the common sense to look past race and improve their future prospects, but even those guys' families probably viewed it more as a pragmatic decision than something done out of love for the P&G. Just trying to lend some perspective. I used to get my hair cut down by BRMHS when I was in school there at the turn of the century and it still wasn't uncommon to hear older black men say "too many of our boys have abandoned black schools". Obviously Bama isn't Southern or Grambling, but it just goes to show that there are still a lot of families in which "good at football" + "from Louisiana" does not automatically = LSU lock.
Posted by JETigER
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:14 pm to
Wait until after the Alabama game and I will post and get banned for life. But I want to post until then so you will have to wait for my truthful explanation post.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:16 pm to
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Obviously Bama isn't Southern or Grambling,


I think that says it all. Hypothetically, if CRob had gone to Grambling, because his dad went there? I'd be a huge fan. CRob going to Bama is CRob asking me to wish bad things on his team, and indirectly on him. Not injuries of course, but I don't want him to have individual success because he's the left tackle at Alabama.

I honestly didn't think the race card would get played in this discussion. Saban isn't even black. Race has nothing to do with this.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:17 pm to
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I honestly didn't think the race card would get played in this discussion. Saban isn't even black. Race has nothing to do with this.


You're being obtuse if "race card" is what you picked up from what I wrote. Please explain to me how I can better simplify it for you.
Posted by Vito Andolini
Member since Sep 2009
1879 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:20 pm to
I hope C Rob has just as productive a career as a professional in the NFL as Lester Earl did in the NBA.

Too bad he is an o-lineman, hard to boo him individually since they generally don't get their names called during a game.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:23 pm to
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You're being obtuse if "race card" is what you picked up from what I wrote. Please explain to me how I can better simplify it for you.


Brother - I didn't say it - you said it - paraphrasing - Black people didn't give a damn about LSU until the late 1990s - while neither accurate nor supported, it just smacks of racial poltics, echoing back to the segregated SEC era - when future NFL Hall of Famers had to go to SWAC schools, up north or out west to play. But, that was almost 50 years ago. I don't know what else to tell you.

Cam Robinson had a choice. He's made it. I've made mine.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:29 pm to
CROB's dad was hired by Saban to shuttle recruits to bama camps. LSU doesn't have the recruiting budget to do the stuff bama does to land top recruits.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:38 pm to
Fine. I will simplify. My argument goes something like this.

1. You're presupposing within the general population of Louisiana a natural allegiance to or affection toward LSU football. You have it. I have it. Probably 70% or more of Louisianans have.

2. There are exceptions, however. There are people within the state who for whatever reason did not grow up with and do not possess any such affection. Among these groups might be:
A. People with buildings named after their family at Tulane, or ULL.
B. People with some negative family history with the University (maybe someone who was unfarily expelled or something).
C. Others (like certain blacks) who don't simply identify with LSU as a matter of course. That's not a "card", it's just one potential factor among many (I gave two other examples).

3. Having established that a natural affection toward the school isn't a given for every single person born in the state, my entire point shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. If Cam's family and Cam don't view LSU as anythimg other than another offer in a long list, his decision making process is going to look quite different from what you'd imagine. To some people telling a kid "you're from Louisiana and you're good at Football, so LSU it is" just doesn't resonate. They don't see the connection.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:59 pm to
Well, he's not playing against us, which makes that OL infinitely worse. DL and LBs will feast
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89518 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:19 pm to
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If Cam's family and Cam don't view LSU as anythimg other than another offer in a long list, his decision making process is going to look quite different from what you'd imagine.


Fair enough point - makes it much less likely that I should care one way or another about him, as well. He's just another in a long list of players considered by LSU and other schools.
Posted by teeMike
In my mind, I'm already there.
Member since Feb 2007
7574 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:44 pm to
I will pull against the team Cam Robinson chose to play for from here to eternity. I wish no injury on an athlete. It's better actually that LSU play and beat them with him playing.

As a Saints fan, I was pulling for Ingram last night and against Eddie Lacy (who's from Louisiana)

I admittedly am bitter toward highly recruited Louisiana athletes who chose schools that play in the same conference with LSU. As an LSU fan, the only thing I can do, is pull for LSU and against that player and his team. He had a choice of schools, I have a choice to pull against his success (unless he wears the Black and Gold after graduation)
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:53 pm to
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He had a choice of schools, I have a choice to pull against his success


That's fair (as was Ace's point). I don't see the point of wishing injury upon them as some do. And yes, it galls me when kids go to other schools--especially Bama, Auburn, and now A&M. But I try to understand that their motivations and mine may simply not align.
Posted by Vito Andolini
Member since Sep 2009
1879 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:55 pm to
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CROB's dad was hired by Saban to shuttle recruits to bama camps. LSU doesn't have the recruiting budget to do the stuff bama does to land top recruits.


Calling bullsh*t on both of your statements.
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45150 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:02 pm to
Seems our fanbase forgets how many "traitors" we've had on our past teams

PP7, Mett, Loston, Flynn, Jamarcus to name some

HE'LL NEVER GET A JOB IN LA, DERPPP!!
Posted by cattus
Member since Jan 2009
13434 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:03 pm to
I to hope for a solid 100% recovery but don't give a damn when he gets back in the lineup, 21/2 weeks or months!
Posted by PacWilly
Member since Jun 2010
552 posts
Posted on 10/27/14 at 3:06 pm to
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LSU =/= Louisiana. There are plenty of people born/bred in the state (ULL, Tulane, etc) who can't stand LSU. Are they not real Louisianans? Depending Robinson's coaches, family background, etc, it's not inconceivable that he didn't grow up loving LSU. Many blacks in Louisiana couldn't give less of a damn about LSU until the late 90s. Surely you see that this is a bit of a silly line to draw. And again, I always feel "betrayed" when a local star gives us the finger. But it still seems kind of silly to me when I think about it.


There's wisdom in these words. There are many personal reasons for not choosing LSU. To think they have somehow betrayed their state or to wish ill-will to them personally is morally wrong IMO.
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