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re: Ben McDonald is wrong
Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:10 am to TigerinSoCal
Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:10 am to TigerinSoCal
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Call “Time”
Yes but if a pitcher stops his pitch assuming the umpire will call time, then it will be a balk. A pitcher needs to always follow through with their pitch
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:35 am to ell_13
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You think he yelled it?
He certainly said it loud enough for the pitcher and a couple of the umpires in the field to hear it.
Goes right along with that bush league bullshite Mangum was doing while he was on 2nd base... pretending to read calls and making ridiculous hand gestures.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 8:05 am to terd ferguson
quote:It was extremely quiet during that AB.
He certainly said it loud enough for the pitcher and a couple of the umpires in the field to hear it.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:10 am to ell_13
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It was extremely quiet during that AB.
It was extremely audible on TV.
As for the rule...as a college umpire myself, I feel that it was interpreted and applied properly in this situation. It is very difficult to evaluate intent, but a batter will, in his normal course of action raise his hand along with his verbal request for a time out. However, in this instance, he only verbalized it, and did so at an above average volume, so as to draw the balk.
When watching the game on replay last night, I told the others I was watching with, that this rule and its interpretation are equivalent to a simulated snap count in football. Since a balk is essentially a "false start" this is no difference than the nose guard or a line backer trying to simulate the snap count in order to draw a false start from an offensive lineman.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:40 am to SaturdayTraditions
I realize this is a tangent, but how about no timeouts for batters. Just stay in the box.
Baseball is such a slow game anyway, no need to compound it with other dead time. When a batter is up to bat, stay in the box. Real simple.
Baseball is such a slow game anyway, no need to compound it with other dead time. When a batter is up to bat, stay in the box. Real simple.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 5:20 pm to SaturdayTraditions
Players shouldn't lift their hand up. Stay ready to hit because it's not a given you'll get time. It was not even close to being loud on tv. You could barely hear it. He was facing away from the ump. Had to say it loud enough for him to hear.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 6:38 pm to RidiculousHype
Batter mimicked the umpire. His "timeout" yell sounded exactly like the umpire from the play before.
I had to see the batter actually move his lips because I thought the umpire had called it.
I had to see the batter actually move his lips because I thought the umpire had called it.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 8:22 am to ell_13
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Players shouldn't lift their hand up. Stay ready to hit because it's not a given you'll get time. It was not even close to being loud on tv. You could barely hear it. He was facing away from the ump. Had to say it loud enough for him to hear.
Ell... I understand you think you are an authority on baseball, but I'm telling you... it was very clear on TV. I also did not say that a batter SHOULD lift their hand, just that most DO make some attempt.
I agree they need to stay ready to hit, but be honest, how often do you see it, even at this level?
The batter attempted to deceive the pitcher, enough that the umpire called it and almost immediately pointed at the batter!
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:11 am to SaturdayTraditions
I'm not posting as an "authority". I'm just relaying how I saw it when it happened and the multiple replays. I saw his mouth move. And even with a very quiet box, I barely heard it. As many have said, it's a judgment call. I don't think it was an obvious deception.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:21 am to ell_13
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I don't think it was an obvious deception.
But it was Mississippi State, so while everything else you say makes sense. I still lean towards obvious deception.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:15 am to RidiculousHype
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Ben McDonald is wrong
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:27 am to ProjectP2294
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But it was Mississippi State...... I still lean towards obvious deception
The bastards have been known to cheat.
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LSU Coach Paul Mainieri got a little hot under the collar at Mississippi State first base coach Nick Mingione for violating one of baseball's "unwritten rules"....
After the game Mainieri said the reason was that Mingione yelled something that distracted second baseman Tyler Hanover when he was making a play during the game and led to a run for Mississippi State.
With Luke Adkins on first in the top of the sixth, Ryan Duffy hit a ball into the right field corner. Mikie Mahtook's throw went to Hanover, who looked at second before trying to throw home. Hanover had a chance to get Adkins at home but the throw was wide and Duffy moved up to third.
"Hanover was going to throw home when all of a sudden he heard a voice yelling '2-2-2-2,'" Mainieri said. "It was their first base coach yelling that. There's no rule against it in the rule book, but there are unwritten rules in the game of baseball. You're not supposed to do things like that. That's a bush league move and I let him know that."
LSU - Moo State - 2010
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:36 am to SaturdayTraditions
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Ell... I understand you think you are an authority on baseball
Nah, he just likes to argue.
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