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Ben McDonald is wrong
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:19 pm
The batter cannot cause a balk by requesting time out. It doesn't matter whether it was granted.
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Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:22 pm to RidiculousHype
Can you please post this part of rule?
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:24 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:That's not how it works. A balk is a balk. What you are referring to is when they step out of the box. In that situation, a balk cannot be called.
The batter cannot cause a balk by requesting time out.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:29 pm to rpg37
quote:
Can you please post this part of rule?
If the pitcher, with a runner on base, stops or hesitates the delivery because the
batter steps out of the box, holds up a hand or uses any other action as if calling time,
it shall not be a balk. The rule has been violated by both the batter and the pitcher,
and the umpire shall call “Time” and begin the play anew
LINK
Rule 9.3-G
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:30 pm to ell_13
quote:
That's not how it works. A balk is a balk. What you are referring to is when they step out of the box. In that situation, a balk cannot be called.
"any other action of calling timeout" = a verbal request. See post above
But you're in good company, even the most hardcore baseball fans often don't know this rule
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:32 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:I know the rule; hence my reply. I think the interpretation and intent is any action other than actually calling time. Otherwise, the batter could never talk.
batter steps out of the box, holds up a hand or uses any other action as if calling time
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:34 pm to ell_13
quote:
I know the rule; hence my reply. I think the interpretation and intent is any action other than actually calling time. Otherwise, the batter could never talk.
What do you mean, he could never talk? There's no penalty for the batter.
"Any other action as if calling time" is interpreted as including verbal, hence the reason the MSU runner was sent back to 2nd base.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:35 pm to rpg37
The OP is right. McDonald and his broadcasting partner are only focusing on one part of the rules while ignoring the following, from the college rule book:
quote:
Game Misconduct
SECTION 15.
a. Unsportsmanlike-Conduct Rule. No coach, player or team shall at any time, whether from the bench, the coaches’ box or on the playing field, or elsewhere:
1) Incite or attempt to incite, by word, sign or actions that dispute an umpire’s decision and potentially incites a demonstration by spectators;
2) Call “Time” or employ any other word or phrase or commit any act while the ball is in play for the obvious purpose of trying to make the pitcher commit a balk. If a balk is committed, it shall be nullified;
3) Take a position in the batter’s line of vision, and with deliberate unsportsmanlike intent, act in a manner to distract the batter.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:36 pm to RidiculousHype
Fair enough. I knew the rule and didn't think it included verbally calling time. 
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:37 pm to TigerinSoCal
quote:Eh... still not sure the MSU batter went this far.
for the obvious purpose of trying to make the pitcher commit a balk
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:38 pm to ell_13
quote:
Fair enough. I knew the rule and didn't think it included verbally calling time.
It's all good. Like I said, 99.9% of baseball fans don't know it, and I wouldn't know it either if it had not been for a freak recent occurrence.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:39 pm to TigerinSoCal
He wasn't trying to make the pitcher commit a balk, he was really asking for time, IMO.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:41 pm to RidiculousHype
I still think the intent of the rule doesn't include what the MSU player did.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:42 pm to ell_13
quote:
Eh... still not sure the MSU batter went this far.
Yeah I don't think it was purposeful. But I do think the other part of the rule covers verbal. NCAA should clean that part of the rule up though; imagine if that cost a team a game in Omaha
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:42 pm to bayouman
He was facing being struck out and distracted the pitcher and it worked.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:44 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:Lots of people would be thrown out.
imagine if that cost a team a game in Omaha
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:47 pm to bayouman
quote:
He wasn't trying to make the pitcher commit a balk, he was really asking for time, IMO.
You may be right but it's the umpire's judgment call. I think the umpire made the right call but others can differ as it is a matter of judgment (like whether a batter made an attempt to strike the ball - one of the most misunderstood rules by fans in the book - has nothing to do with whether the batter's wrists broke or the bat crosses the plate, etc. )
Posted on 4/24/16 at 4:05 pm to RidiculousHype
no matter. the batter yelling time is chicken shite. our guys need to be coached to pitch it anyway even if they think it was the umpire.
seriously, there needs to be a rule about the batting team doing this bush league crap. I think the umpire handled it well.
edited to say I didn't read the rule poster earlier. it's a good one. whether the player did it on purpose or not is a matter of interpretation. after the hijinks their runner on second pulled I went straight to intentional. for a minute, I thought we were playing Arkansas. their coach is a douche.
seriously, there needs to be a rule about the batting team doing this bush league crap. I think the umpire handled it well.
edited to say I didn't read the rule poster earlier. it's a good one. whether the player did it on purpose or not is a matter of interpretation. after the hijinks their runner on second pulled I went straight to intentional. for a minute, I thought we were playing Arkansas. their coach is a douche.
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 4/24/16 at 4:06 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:
the batter yelling time is chicken shite.
You think he yelled it?Posted on 4/24/16 at 4:53 pm to RidiculousHype
I may be mistaken but was not this the same runner who was stealing signs while on second base? And was apparently just messing with the minds of the pitcher/catcher? If so, watching the replay of the non balk, he immediately points to second base, with no hesitation. As if he was doing it on purpose to draw a balk call. Not sure where the batter's intent comes into play, but it would seem, if true, he knew what he was doing & was planning it.
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