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re: Athlon Magazine Coaches Opinion of LSU
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Then you arent very smart if you believe 15th out of 126 is mediocre.
It's no accomplishment if we're better than East Carolina, Texas Tech, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Florda Atlantic, Akron, San Jose State, Troy, Wyoming, Rice, New Mexico, UTEP, Toldeo, ULL, etc, etc, etc. None at all. I don't care one bit if the pollsters think we're better than those types of schools.
Our true competition are the top 3-4 teams in the top conferences. So about 15-20 or so teams. Sure, other random teams sneak in occasionally- maybe a Houston or a Boise State.
Elite teams shouldn't be content, or especially proud of being top 15. You seem to be. I am not. My aspirations for our program are much higher.
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:22 pm to atltiger6487
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It's no accomplishment if we're better than East Carolina, Texas Tech, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Florda Atlantic, Akron, San Jose State, Troy, Wyoming, Rice, New Mexico, UTEP, Toldeo, ULL, etc, etc, etc. None at all. I don't care one bit if the pollsters think we're better than those types of schools.
Was Saban's tenure mediocre? You still refuse to answer.
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Our true competition are the top 3-4 teams in the top conferences. So about 15-20 or so teams. Sure, other random teams sneak in occasionally- maybe a Houston or a Boise State.
Yeah thats not how cfb works. Mid major can and do finish top 15.
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Elite teams shouldn't be content, or especially proud of being top 15. You seem to be. I am not. My aspirations for our program are much higher.
Proud? Why the hell would i be proud of a team that i wasnt on?
Finishing top 15 in cfb is a bigger accomplishment than anything youve done in life. Are you as hard on yourself as you are with the lsu program?
If top 15 finishes are mediocre then why didnt Saban have more of them? If finishing top 15 is beneath lsu then why did we only have 8 top 15 finishes from 1973-2004?
Like i said, finishing top 15 while playing in the hardest division in the hardest conference is no where near mediocre and only someone that has zero knowledge of cfb would call top 15 mediocre.
You do realize that there are 2 sec programs that consistently finish top 15 and dont have a season .500 or worse right?
You do realize there about 7-8 programs that consistently finish top 15,right?
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:29 pm to atltiger6487
how old are you and your buddies with the strange idea that they are owed a NC , I am 66 years old and there was a lot years where the la. recruits didn't crack the top 15 when thy played ! The Expectations you were talking about , there is a lot of kids who expect something every time they go to the store and if they don't get it , they pitch a fit about it ,does this sound familiar !
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:34 pm to timm6971463
No. And I'm 30.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:59 pm to atltiger6487
Texas, Miami, USC, Michigan, Nebraska, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Washington, Colorado, Notre Dame, Tennessee
All teams that were top 3-4 in their conference for a large period of time. All teams that would definitely trade their last ten years for Miles tenure. They're in various states of optimism and potential heading into the season but they've all had prolonged stretches where they didn't even sniff top 15
All teams that were top 3-4 in their conference for a large period of time. All teams that would definitely trade their last ten years for Miles tenure. They're in various states of optimism and potential heading into the season but they've all had prolonged stretches where they didn't even sniff top 15
Posted on 8/3/16 at 9:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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In what universe are top 15 finishes considered mediocre?
We didn't finish in the top 15.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 9:32 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Rick,
No, top 15 finishes are not mediocre. They're good. Very good even.
But every once in awhile wouldn't it be nice to break the top 10? Top 5 even?
Top 15 is not mediocre, but it's not elite. I'm ready for LSU to be elite again, aren't you?
And LSU's record in the SEC since 2011 IS mediocre and that matters a lot more to me than a top 15 finish. You can finish in the top 15 with 3 losses. 3 losses a season other than The occasional rebuilding year is way too much, IMO.
No, top 15 finishes are not mediocre. They're good. Very good even.
But every once in awhile wouldn't it be nice to break the top 10? Top 5 even?
Top 15 is not mediocre, but it's not elite. I'm ready for LSU to be elite again, aren't you?
And LSU's record in the SEC since 2011 IS mediocre and that matters a lot more to me than a top 15 finish. You can finish in the top 15 with 3 losses. 3 losses a season other than The occasional rebuilding year is way too much, IMO.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 10:37 pm to Nix to Twillie
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But every once in awhile wouldn't it be nice to break the top 10? Top 5 even?
6 of Miles' 11 seasons are top 10.
4 seasons were top 5.
Im with you though. This upcoming season is a make or break year for Miles. He must win the west or have just 1 loss. Outside of those 2 outcomes its time to make a change.
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And LSU's record in the SEC since 2011 IS mediocre and that matters a lot more to me than a top 15 finish.
2nd in the sec in wins in that time span
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Top 15 is not mediocre, but it's not elite. I'm ready for LSU to be elite again, aren't you?
Was lsu elite when Miles took over because we had 1 top 5 finish during the saban era at lsu just like we have 1 top 5 finish in Miles' last 5 years.
The difference is that miles has 4 top 16 finishes in the last 5 years and Saban had 2 in his 5 years.
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3 losses a season other than The occasional rebuilding year is way too much, IMO.
Were you saying this when Saban lost 3 games or more every year but once?
The fact is that outside of Bama, lsu has been the most consistent program in the sec.
Our conf has 6 programs that recruit on an elite level and lsu has been the 2nd most consistent.
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No, top 15 finishes are not mediocre. They're good. Very good even.
This was my only point, brother.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 12:39 am to Rickdaddy4188
It's like you have a robot pulling stats for you as you type lol.
I'm not even arguing this topic, because I kind of agree with you here, but you are too dependent on numbers.
If you think the last 5 years have been 'very good to great' why are you only giving miles this year to keep his job?
I'm not even arguing this topic, because I kind of agree with you here, but you are too dependent on numbers.
If you think the last 5 years have been 'very good to great' why are you only giving miles this year to keep his job?
Posted on 8/4/16 at 5:58 am to SportTiger1
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I'm not even arguing this topic, because I kind of agree with you here, but you are too dependent on numbers.
If you think the last 5 years have been 'very good to great' why are you only giving miles this year to keep his job?
No im not too dependent on FACST. I realize stats dont always tell the entire story but win/loss records do tell the story. I only uses stats wheb those stats prove opinions to be flat out wrong. When did i say the last 5 years have been great.ill stop posting the same shite when dumbasses stop posting the same ignorant myths.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 7:38 am
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:10 am to TheDrunkenTigah
McElwain says it best, and guess what buddy....Ed O is making HUGE upgrades in recruiting the DL. He brought in several studs last year and will land the top two DT in the country this year. Oh yeah....and start to know the name VALENTINE! 
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:42 am to tigerfan88
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Texas, Miami, USC, Michigan, Nebraska, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Washington, Colorado, Notre Dame, Tennessee
All teams that were top 3-4 in their conference for a large period of time. All teams that would definitely trade their last ten years for Miles tenure. They're in various states of optimism and potential heading into the season but they've all had prolonged stretches where they didn't even sniff top 15
You have to realize that the goalpost for Miles is always moving.you have to realize that the best tenure in lsu history is underachieving.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:49 am to Jonburris81
Chief wanted smaller but faster guys to compete against all these spread offenses. Works against A&M and Johnny Football but Bama and Arkansas, not so much I guess.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 8:10 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Were you saying this when Saban lost 3 games or more every year but once?
No because we were coming off back to back losing seasons before he got here. He established a winning culture again and we were just getting used to it. He was just getting started.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 8:53 am to tuptiger
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I've thought this for quite some time. Chavis really let our recruiting go to shite. And Steele was not a very good coordinator.
It's a fricking travesty that our once great D Line pedigree was ruined by Chavis. We've been running about a 4 man rotation of 285lb DTackles for the last 3 years. Sickening.
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