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Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:03 pm to Mayhawman
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In the last 10 years, I think maybe UNC has done this, but not this year after getting dominated 18-6 in 2 games by lowly LBSU. Stony Brooks and meltdowns abound these days.
People think that LSU exists in a vacuum and are (or should be) immune to such phenomena. Omaha 4-5 times in a decade is the absolute very most I could reasonably expect. Three times in a decade in today's game is nothing to sneeze at by any means.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:23 pm to TigerCub
quote:I was thinking maybe FSU also, but they rarely make it out of regional play.
only UNC (6) has more than 4 appearances in Omaha.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:25 pm to lsu2006
LSU has a major advantage in TOPS that I think people forget about. In a sport where there aren't many athletic scholarships available per team, that is a huge advantage to help keep the top in-state talent at home. Then there are also the facilities which are among the top 5, fan support which is the best in the nation, and brand recognition which has to help at least some with recruiting.
With those advantages and even recognizing the increased parity in college baseball today, I think LSU should be expected to make it to the CWS at least once every 3-4 years and at least make some noise once they get there. That 3-4 year time frame gives you enough time for complete turnover and maturation of a new group of players. Hosting a regional almost every year should also be expected since that only requires being one of the top 16ish teams, which shouldn't be too much to ask of LSU.
With those advantages and even recognizing the increased parity in college baseball today, I think LSU should be expected to make it to the CWS at least once every 3-4 years and at least make some noise once they get there. That 3-4 year time frame gives you enough time for complete turnover and maturation of a new group of players. Hosting a regional almost every year should also be expected since that only requires being one of the top 16ish teams, which shouldn't be too much to ask of LSU.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:28 pm to Patron Saint
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I think LSU should be expected to make it to the CWS at least once every 3-4 years
I think this is pretty reasonable. That is a lot different from some of the others in this thread though.
With that being said:
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LSU has a major advantage in TOPS that I think people forget about. In a sport where there aren't many athletic scholarships available per team, that is a huge advantage to help keep the top in-state talent at home. Then there are also the facilities which are among the top 5, fan support which is the best in the nation, and brand recognition which has to help at least some with recruiting.
This can all help with recruiting, sure. But, that doesn't automatically make LSU the best team in the country and mean that they should make it to Omaha almost every year.
I think your expectations are fairly realistic.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:30 pm to Patron Saint
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LSU has a major advantage in TOPS that I think people forget about. In a sport where there aren't many athletic scholarships available per team, that is a huge advantage to help keep the top in-state talent at home.
This is a nice advantage to have. But it's a small piece to a big, BIG puzzle. FWIW, there are several other SEC schools with this advantage as well, if I'm not mistaken.
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With those advantages and even recognizing the increased parity in college baseball today, I think LSU should be expected to make it to the CWS at least once every 3-4 years and at least make some noise once they get there. That 3-4 year time frame gives you enough time for complete turnover and maturation of a new group of players. Hosting a regional almost every year should also be expected since that only requires being one of the top 16ish teams, which shouldn't be too much to ask of LSU.
This is all fair, in my opinion.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:43 pm to lsu2006
10 of 14 sec programs have a tops type program, it is not unique to Lsu
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:49 pm to lsuallsportsfan
But it helps to keep your in-state players in state. Maybe it's not a big advantage, but not having it would definitely be a disadvantage. One thing I didn't mention in my expectations is that I think in addition to hosting a regional almost every year, I think LSU should be expected to make a super regional probably 2 out of every 3 years, at least 2 out of every 4 years.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:51 pm to Patron Saint
quote:Yes, LSU has patented the idea of TOPS.
LSU has a major advantage in TOPS that I think people forget about.
quote:It's not true in FB any more, much less BB. With 5 or 6 leaving each year, the attrition percentage is much greater than FB with 85 roster.
That 3-4 year time frame gives you enough time for complete turnover and maturation of a new group of players.
quote:This isn't so far fetched.
Hosting a regional almost every year should also be expected
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:52 pm to Patron Saint
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But it helps to keep your in-state players in state. Maybe it's not a big advantage, but not having it would definitely be a disadvantage. One thing I didn't mention in my expectations is that I think in addition to hosting a regional almost every year, I think LSU should be expected to make a super regional probably 2 out of every 3 years, at least 2 out of every 4 years.
I think that's all very reasonable and in line with my expectations.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:55 pm to abellsujr
quote:what if Houston wins it all? Are we happy again? Underperform and be 5th=happy. Over perform and get a national seed=happy. Tough world you would live in
You should be one of the best 8 teams in the country, ALMOST every year, IMO.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:01 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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And just because you have top notch facilities doesn't mean you are one of the 8 best baseball TEAMS in the country.
You do realize that the 8 best teams in the country don't make it to Omaha every year! The OP is correct. There is no reason for LSU to lose to teams like Houston and Stoney Brook!
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:10 pm to Lee Chatelain
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There is no reason for LSU to lose to teams like Houston and Stoney Brook!
Yeah, Houston like totally sux!!
And Stony Brook totally didn't have 7 players drafter in 2012.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:42 pm to Lee Chatelain
quote:There were 4 other "unreasonable" Nat Seed eliminations right alongside LSU this year.
There is no reason for LSU to lose to teams like Houston and Stoney Brook!
And there were 9/16 Regional #1 seeds eliminated by the likes "Houston and Stoney Brook".
It seems reasons are abundant and the fans means of dealing with it are short.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:54 pm to DIGGY
I have a question for some of you. Do you think Yankees and Red Sox fans expect their team to be among the top 8 teams in MLB almost every year? How about Kentucky in NCAA basketball?
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:58 pm to Lee Chatelain
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You do realize that the 8 best teams in the country don't make it to Omaha every year!
Yes. Absolutely. You just made my ENTIRE point for me
The 8 best teams do NOT make it to Omaha.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:03 pm to abellsujr
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Do you think Yankees and Red Sox fans expect their team to be among the top 8 teams in MLB almost every year?
Couple things.
1. There are 30 MLB teams. There are like a whole lot more in college. Going on football numbers I think it is like 123 (baseball is WAYYY more than that), LSU would only need to be in the top 30 to be in the same percentile as being in the top 8 in the MLB.
2. Professional teams can pay their players ANY amount of money they would like. There is no salary cap. College don't even have a HALF scholarship per player. Big difference.
3. Yankees and Red Sox fans are universally known for being some of the absolute worst, most obnoxious fans in all of baseball. Part of that reason is because they are so incredibly unrealistic and always think that their teams are the best in baseball regardless of what their record indicates.
4. To be in the top 8 in college baseball, you have to go through a weekend double elimination tournament and win that. Then you have go play another team and win a best 2 out of 3 series against them. Anything can happen in one given weekend. Just ask the worst team in baseball, the Chicago Cubs, who just beat one of the best teams in baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers, 2 games out of 3 about 2 weeks ago. In professional baseball to be in the top 8, you just have to have a better record than 4 other teams over the course of 162 baseball games, a long enough time frame to which the best teams truly will rise to the top of the standings.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:05 pm to PurpleAndGold86
OK, so all pro sports are out.
quote:How about UCONN in Women's BB. Alabama in NCAA football?
How about Kentucky in NCAA basketball?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:07 pm to abellsujr
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How about UCONN in Women's BB. Alabama in NCAA football?
Comparing apples to oranges. Or more like comparing apples to... Celery?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:10 pm to abellsujr
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How about Kentucky in NCAA basketball?
I'm not making excuses for us NOT making it to Omaha. What I am doing is just debating with you that baseball is different than any other sport. So, with that being said, basketball is SO different than baseball. All Coach Greaseball has to do is recruit some of the best high schoolers in the country and get them to come to Kentucky KNOWING they will get drafted and leave in a year for the NBA. You CANT get drafted out of high school in basketball and you can in baseball.
Also, if you have some of those dominant players in basketball you WILL win. Baseball isn't like that. Great hitters only bat once every 9 hitters. Great pitchers only throw once a weekend. One player can absolutely dominate the hell out of a basketball game. 2 first round NBA talents can carry a team EASILY in to the top 8 in the country.
Also are we talking top 8 ranking wise or elite 8? Because you can't possibly expect anyone to make the elite 8 almost every single year. Crazy shite happens in that tournament every single year. No way to reasonably expect to make the elite 8 almost every year.
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