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re: As an outside observer
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:01 am to MullenBoys
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:01 am to MullenBoys
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Thirdly, you guys are selling him out too soon. He has matured as a coach and I'd bet the house he will leave offensive coaches alone to do their job. This is huge if you ask me.
You are more astute than many of the LSU Rant. LSU has taken a different approach in coaching since they could not lure one of the 5-10 elite coaches currently in the business. They are opting to hire a competent HC but focus more on the OC and DC and let each fulfill his role.
After spending about $10 mil on Miles buyout I am sure there were many who were nervous about going out and buying an "up and comer" for $5 mil plus with a 5yr contract (allegedly Jimbo wanted 10 yrs)and thus another huge buyout if needed.
This plan looks like the low side risk is middle of the pack in SEC West and the upside is CFP potential. Meanwhile this plan has a much lower escape cost if needed. Orgeron has allowed LSU to hold some cards in this plan for performance purposes.
When people settle down and realize that even though we have a lot of money to spend, putting on 00 or going "all in" simply puts the program on a cliff. That is not the way to operate a large business like SEC Football.
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:21 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Please do not have a fit any time anyone says anything nice about Coach O, TIA.
I didnt know posting facts means im having a fit. Its amazing how you label people melting just because they dont share the same opinion.
I dont have to be mad to post facts about Coach O.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:26 am to lsufan31
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He didn't say that the situation at each school respectively was the same.
But, he does have a point- Dabo was a career Coordinator, and so was EdO.
Well that matters. If lsu had zero sec titles in almost 2 decades and 2 top 20 finishes from 1990-2009, the hiring of Ed Orgeron wouldnt garner so much scepticism.
Dabo wasnt 55 years old and wasnt taking over one of the best programs in the last 16 years.
If your program has zero conf titles from 1991-2009 and 2 top 20 finishes frok 1990-2009 then hiring a career dline coach isnt that big of a stretch.
When youre one of the best programs in cfb over the last 16 years amd you play in the most talent rich division in cfb, hiring a career dline coach isnt a smart thing to do. When your program has zero conf titles in 19 years its ok to gamble on an unproven coach.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:29 am to GetmorewithLes
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When people settle down and realize that even though we have a lot of money to spend, putting on 00 or going "all in" simply puts the program on a cliff. That is not the way to operate a large business like SEC Football.
Would Ed Orgeron even get interviewed for a DC position at Bama, ohio state,fsu, Michigan, or USC? If your answer is no then what makes him a good head coaching hire at one of the best football programs in cfb?
This is high risk hire.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:30 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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O learned some things from Pete Carroll, Jimmy Johnson, Sean Payton, and even Lane Kiffin and Miles.
O coached with Pete Carroll and Jimmy Johnson before getting the Ole Miss head coaching position. Please oh, Lord in heaven, tell me that O has forgotten anything that he learned from Kiffin about being a head coach.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:30 am to TigerFanNKaty
quote:Really? you got all that out of me saying I'd rather he stay out of the defensive side too? I meant that more as point that Aranda doesn't need his help, not so much a dis to O. Admittedly I was not/am not thrilled with the hire, I am fully behind him now. I am not one that you think does all that you claim. Maybe you think I'm someone else? If not, or either way, you might want to chill a little?
Oh look the typical O hating LSU fan; I hate the O hire because he talks funny and he can't be smart like me. He sucked at Ole Miss and he always will. Look how smart I am; I jump in every O conversation to regurgitate how dumb all the Cajuns are.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:46 am to Rickdaddy4188
Dam dude, didnt realuze you were such an O suckup...
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:52 am to theBru
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Dam dude, didnt realuze you were such an O suckup...
Ha.
I really hope he succeeds. Ill never root against lsu just because of the coach. Like i said , i blame alleva for his hire. I just believe lsu should hire a proven coach.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:06 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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O learned some things from Pete Carroll, Jimmy Johnson
Why do people bring this up like it's supposed to prove he's going to be better than he was at Ole Miss?
O coached under Pete & Jimmy BEFORE he went and stunk it up at Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:12 am to Rickdaddy4188
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bullshite. He wouldnt get DC offers anywhere. My god. Please enlighten me why he would choose to be a dline coach over being a DC. Thats absurd.
pretty sure Mullen tried to get Orgeron to take the DC spot at State prior to last year but Orgeron said thank but no thanks. of course Mullen denied ever actually offering Orgeron the job but talks were definitely had.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:14 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Mike tomlin had been a defensive coordinator in the nfl. He was also considered a gamble when he was hired.
Dabo Swinney was a WR coach prior to being hired at Clemson, was named interim HC during the 2008 season and promoted to HC prior to 2009
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:14 am to MullenBoys
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MullenBoys
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:14 am to MullenBoys
A smart state fan.
Have an upvote.
Have an upvote.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Dabo wasnt 55 years old.
so what you're saying is he had less experience than Orgeron
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I just believe lsu should hire a proven coach.
please list the available HCs with a proven track record of success at a P5 school
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:19 am to emanresu
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Why do people bring this up like it's supposed to prove he's going to be better than he was at Ole Miss?
Why do people bring up his record 10 years ago at Ole Miss to prove he's going to be bad at LSU?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:26 am to MullenBoys
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First, there is little doubt about his ability to recruit but then, LSU always recruits well. Secondly, nobody can doubt his abilities on the defensive side of the ball. LSU will field a nasty defense and everyone knows it.
I believe coach O will be better than les miles in recruiting. this is because miles allowed our defensive recruiting, sans the backfield, go to hell for too long (until he hired O as a matter of fact).
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Thirdly, you guys are selling him out too soon. He has matured as a coach and I'd bet the house he will leave offensive coaches alone to do their job.
I agree 100%. his resume as a permanent HC has resulted in many fans writing him off. yet everything I see so far leads me to believe you are correct. of course, some fans of LSU will never accept him even if he's successful. that is because...... 1)he has a Cajun accent and, believe it or not, opens up the age old prejudice in many louisianians, esp. from the north and 2)he's not going to run the wide open air raid many are demanding.
and, thank you for your post, sir.
it reveals a level of maturity not often found on this board. Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:32 am to lsufball19
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please list the available HCs with a proven track record of success at a P5 school
- that would have realistically taken the job.
Fisher was playing LSU for more money. Herman (and his wife) obviously wanted that Texas job.
So after that, LSU was left with Fedora. And to say that UNC was a P5 head coaching experience is a huge stretch, even though it's an ACC school.
LSU fricked up two years ago by not doing what was planned- let Miles go after the A&M game and get the winning bidder between Fisher and Herman. Period. End of story.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:36 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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None of the above changes the fact that Alleva ran a pitiful search.
no offense or anything but I really get sick of hearing this. it is not a fact. allow me to reword your statement...."none of the above changes the fact that the coaching search was done is secret and was remarkable free of leaks so many began to just make stuff up, even the media. many of these rumors, tho unsubstantiated and not proven, got legs thanks mainly to them being real popular on the internet and they are now accepted as fact. LSU, wisely, did not respond to those rumors"
perception and reality are different things.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:42 am to lsufball19
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Dabo Swinney was a WR coach prior to being hired at Clemson, was named interim HC during the 2008 season and promoted to HC prior to 2009
Prior to that had he also been the worst coach at Virginia in at least 30 years?
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