- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: As a huge Miles doubter, I wanted to say this BEFORE the game
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Close, well played game and most will stay on the bandwagon.
That's all I'm asking for as well. I think Miles has exceeded expectations so far this season. A loss to Bama will sting for weeks, but I won't be one of the ones calling for CLM's head.
1
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:01 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:
I've always been a Saban homer. I love "the process". I hate Miles' "shoot from the hip".
In seeing the way Miles' teams have been prepared in every game this year, and in pretty much every game as long as he's been the coach here, it's hard to say, in implementation, Miles is really less of a "process" guy than Saban. I think Saban's just made it so much his schtick to SAY that's what he is, and the way he drills it in every time he speaks, it appears he's much more so than Miles.
But, the results seem to indicate both are very much immersed (or at least have their teams immersed) in "the process" of preparing for football games.
Yes, Miles has had his small share of well-documented hiccups (and I'll be every bit as frustrated/pissed off as you, if they ever reappear in a big game), but I don't think it has anything to do with him being a "shoot from the hip" type versus the "process guy" of the grand genius-by-comparison, Saban.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:01 pm to Tiger JJ
Its nice to hear you have seen the light!! lol There is no question there have been some head scratching moments watching CLM, but he appears to learn from his mistakes and he isnt afraid to deal with them(Co-Def. Coord., to Gary Crowton), I always liked him cause he is so sincere and honest.. he is what he appears to be. He aint the type to bail on us in the middle of the night chasing the illusion of greener pastures, unlike others we have known...
And a good head coach has to be a good manager, he doesnt have to know everything about Off. or Def., he has to get good people around him that do!~
And a good head coach has to be a good manager, he doesnt have to know everything about Off. or Def., he has to get good people around him that do!~
This post was edited on 11/4/11 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:01 pm to Tiger JJ
Les Miles is a zen master. He is a guru.
He is the 50th incarnation of Sun Tzu.
Saban fans are anchored on his "process" because he referenced it so often.
However, every coach in the world focuses on "the process" and not just the result. "Process" is the foundation of every good coach's practices. Saban just used the word "process" to deflate expectations and to deflect people from losses.
He is the 50th incarnation of Sun Tzu.
Saban fans are anchored on his "process" because he referenced it so often.
However, every coach in the world focuses on "the process" and not just the result. "Process" is the foundation of every good coach's practices. Saban just used the word "process" to deflate expectations and to deflect people from losses.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:03 pm to Tiger JJ
Hey JT!
Miles finally got rid of the problem that gave us things like the Tennessee debacle. The problem was Gary Crowton.
Miles finally got rid of the problem that gave us things like the Tennessee debacle. The problem was Gary Crowton.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:This!
don't kid yourself, there is a process to what Miles does.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:04 pm to lake chuck fan
I was never a miles hater bc I knew that he was a big reason on why we had such good athletes. I always said he was a great recruiter but an average coach. I will say I was wrong on the coaching part bc he is definitely above average. I do think it helps to have the best assistant coaches in the country also.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:04 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
In seeing the way Miles' teams have been prepared in every game this year, and in pretty much every game as long as he's been the coach here, it's hard to say, in implementation, Miles is really less of a "process" guy than Saban. I think Saban's just made it so much his schtick to SAY that's what he is, and the way he drills it in every time he speaks, it appears he's much more so than Miles.
But, the results seem to indicate both are very much immersed (or at least have their teams immersed) in "the process" of preparing for football games.
Yes, Miles has had his small share of well-documented hiccups (and I'll be every bit as frustrated/pissed off as you, if they ever reappear in a big game), but I don't think it has anything to do with him being a "shoot from the hip" type versus the "process guy" of the grand genius-by-comparison, Saban.
You could be right.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:04 pm to just me
quote:
However, every coach in the world focuses on "the process" and not just the result. "Process" is the foundation of every good coach's practices. Saban just used the word "process" to deflate expectations and to deflect people from losses.
I'm not so sure about this.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:07 pm to Tiger JJ
Miles process was finding a defensive co-ordinator Chavis, and getting rid of offensive co-ordinator Crowton. Getting the best atheletes in Louisana. Put the best people around you and let them do their jobs. Saban somewhat similar, but he's a little more hands on.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:08 pm to CajunFootball
quote:no way in hell would he have been fired if he lost that game. you don't fire a coach after a 10-3 season
This game saved his job, IMO.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:11 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:
If LSU loses to Bama tomorrow, I won't feel any different (barring some bizarre end of game clock management issues!).
every coach has clock mgt issues at one time or the other. ours were greatly compounded because of the substitution confusion caused by our former OC. he was too complicated with his packages for each situation thing and it took too long to get the package, the players and the play on the field. i have seen spurrier screw up worse than miles. and meyer. miles caught hell because of the sum total of the work in '09 and the time mgt snafu was the straw breaking the camels back thing.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:12 pm to CajunFootball
quote:
I was a Miles skeptic at first, but after the Bama game last year
This game saved his job, IMO.
I can understand the reasoning behind the thought but I highly doubt a 10-3 season last year would have cost Les his job.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:13 pm to Tiger JJ
I was thinking about an old post (I believe of yours) from a while back where you talked about how Saban had good processes that brought about great results. Basically the summary was that any of Miles' results were through fortune because you didn't believe in his processes?
Was that you?
Was that you?
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:14 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:Any coach worth a damn focuses on the process. You can't be a coach worth a damn without focusing on the process.
I'm not so sure about this.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:16 pm to just me
quote:
Les Miles is a zen master. He is a guru.
He is the 50th incarnation of Sun Tzu
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:17 pm to OBUDan
quote:
I was thinking about an old post (I believe of yours) from a while back where you talked about how Saban had good processes that brought about great results. Basically the summary was that any of Miles' results were through fortune because you didn't believe in his processes?
Was that you?
It was probably me, but I'm not sure you are paraphrasing me properly. My overall point is that most people vastly underestimate the impact of luck for any given game, so it's not hard to have cluster of good (or bad) luck that mask the true performance of the coach. Basically, I think it's better to evaluate a process than a short-term outcome. Over time, a superior process will beat luck.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:18 pm to Leaux
jersey has always been the most intellectually honest poster on td i appreciate that
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:19 pm to tiggah1981
quote:
That's all I'm asking for as well. I think Miles has exceeded expectations so far this season. A loss to Bama will sting for weeks, but I won't be one of the ones calling for CLM's head.
Yeah, barring some blowout or clock mismanagement Miles will still have a great rep among LSU fans following the game. In fact, the Arkansas game could be more important to his image than this one
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:21 pm to bwallcubfan
quote:
The thing I like about Miles is when things aren't working, he fixes it.
+1
Can we agree that we can't say the same for Saban? I.G. (6-6) in 2007... oh wait, that was with shula's players
Page 2 of 6
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News