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Areas where it's fair to be critical of the coaches Re: last night
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:06 am
-as we've seen many a time, a game that was wide open, end-to-end, suddenly slows down and becomes a halfcourt game. these guys once again showed that they have little to no clue what to do in these situations. very little movement, swinging the ball around the perimeter, no touches inside, and a possession that usually ends with a long jumper as the shot clock winds down. didn't even face zone and still couldn't break them down.
- the bench. where was bridgewater? epps? yes those guys don't necessarily bring much to the table at this point but are better options than malone who may as well be 5'9 than 7' given the fact that he just doesn't really give anything valuable right now. even though the game slowed down, it almost magnified the fatigue factor because the adrenaline went away as the big plays in the open floor started to dry up. guys feed off of those plays and off of one another as you saw in the first 20-25 minutes. no bench minutes and our main guys get fatigued. i promise you fatigue played a part in those FT misses near the end. yes LSU is a poor FT shooting team, but mickey was gassed and quarterman had given it his all for 30-something minutes.
- timeouts. its sad when you actually get all hyped when johnny takes a timeout with a minute to go in the first half to settle them down and talk things out. got to use them, as well, in accordance with the tv timeouts. if you're set on running with a 7 man rotation, great, but these guys are going to wear down as we saw once again.
such a devestating way to lose. and almost the same way they just lost to auburn. you just knew once they got that 62-48 down to single digits that it was just a matter of time before they started fouling because opponents know we tend to struggle from the line late in games when the fuel starts to run out.
the way nova plays fits into how we want the game to go, especially if they have an off night from the field. was looking forward to that matchup and its an evening game which would have been awesome. i hope the guys that do come back can get over this free throw stigma that will now be attached to them.
johnny isnt going to get much better. maybe he'll get his own tex winter or ron abernathy but im still in shock at how little an impact musselman had with this squad. we'll be good on paper once again next year, but game situations will more than likely dictate just how good we really are.
- the bench. where was bridgewater? epps? yes those guys don't necessarily bring much to the table at this point but are better options than malone who may as well be 5'9 than 7' given the fact that he just doesn't really give anything valuable right now. even though the game slowed down, it almost magnified the fatigue factor because the adrenaline went away as the big plays in the open floor started to dry up. guys feed off of those plays and off of one another as you saw in the first 20-25 minutes. no bench minutes and our main guys get fatigued. i promise you fatigue played a part in those FT misses near the end. yes LSU is a poor FT shooting team, but mickey was gassed and quarterman had given it his all for 30-something minutes.
- timeouts. its sad when you actually get all hyped when johnny takes a timeout with a minute to go in the first half to settle them down and talk things out. got to use them, as well, in accordance with the tv timeouts. if you're set on running with a 7 man rotation, great, but these guys are going to wear down as we saw once again.
such a devestating way to lose. and almost the same way they just lost to auburn. you just knew once they got that 62-48 down to single digits that it was just a matter of time before they started fouling because opponents know we tend to struggle from the line late in games when the fuel starts to run out.
the way nova plays fits into how we want the game to go, especially if they have an off night from the field. was looking forward to that matchup and its an evening game which would have been awesome. i hope the guys that do come back can get over this free throw stigma that will now be attached to them.
johnny isnt going to get much better. maybe he'll get his own tex winter or ron abernathy but im still in shock at how little an impact musselman had with this squad. we'll be good on paper once again next year, but game situations will more than likely dictate just how good we really are.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:09 am to S
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no bench minutes and our main guys get fatigued. i promise you fatigue played a part in those FT misses near the end. yes LSU is a poor FT shooting team, but mickey was gassed and quarterman had given it his all for 30-something minutes.
Ding ding ding - we have a winner. You are correct and this is why our coach deserves some of the blame.
The whole game I wondered is he going to spell his players and give them a break.
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Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:10 am to S
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- the bench. where was bridgewater? epps? yes those guys don't necessarily bring much to the table at this point but are better options than malone who may as well be 5'9 than 7' given the fact that he just doesn't really give anything valuable right now. even though the game slowed down, it almost magnified the fatigue factor because the adrenaline went away as the big plays in the open floor started to dry up. guys feed off of those plays and off of one another as you saw in the first 20-25 minutes.
This point, I completely agree with. Your first point, I am not so sure. We would have had criticism of Jones for keeping an uptempo pace if NC State decided to hit a few threes.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:12 am to LSUtoOmaha
im not saying we should have kept running because we couldnt, nc state started to make shots, got back and reset which slowed down the game and made it a halfcourt game.
trouble is, as we've seen, these guys are basically clueless in that situation
trouble is, as we've seen, these guys are basically clueless in that situation
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:12 am to S
To me the biggest thing that needs improving is our depth. So many of the issues will be solved just by having more than 6 guys that JJ feels comfortable using.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:13 am to S
The main thing that comes to mind to me is that we didn't force feed the ball to Jarrell Martin somewhere inside the 3 pt line...preferably at the junction. He was unstoppable, and at worst, he was going to get to the rim and get fouled. He also looked like the only guy who wasn't shell shocked in the last 5 minutes.
It was CLEAR to me that Martin was the guy who needed to get the ball.
It was CLEAR to me that Martin was the guy who needed to get the ball.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:14 am to moneyg
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It was CLEAR to me that Martin was the guy who needed to get the ball.
absolutely, though he needs to demand the ball but also needs to be force fed the ball whether he's looking for it or not. needs to touch it every possession and in the right spots
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:18 am to S
Jones style of staying out of the way might actually work next year with Simmons and company coming in. He is so polished that a coach that lets you just do as you please can work. I really would love to see Jones get back to coaching like he did in the first half, he was fired up last night for that first half. He needs to learn how to work a ref during the game. N.C. state was getting ticky tack fouls called against us, while on the other end they were able to hack away. It probably wouldn't have mattered last night since we went into choke mode at the line but its something Jones can improve on.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:20 am to heartbreakTiger
he was definitely engaged, the whole team was, till they went on that first little mini run that cut it from 16 to 9 and the whole team kind of fell out of their groove. i was confident when they got it back to 14 but then the bottom started to fall out
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:21 am to rlebl39
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So many of the issues will be solved just by having more than 6 guys that JJ feels comfortable using.
That depends on a coaches mentality. Our football team has lots of depth but many never see the field
Incidentally why do we not have depth?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:22 am to S
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timeouts. its sad when you actually get all hyped when johnny takes a timeout with a minute to go in the first half to settle them down and talk things out. got to use them, as well, in accordance with the tv timeouts. if you're set on running with a 7 man rotation, great, but these guys are going to wear down as we saw once again.
My biggest takeaway, frankly. It's like he's allergic to timeouts. Comes back to the common refrain that CJJ knows how to recruit but cannot coach for shite.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:26 am to LoveThatMoney
No one is perfect - what I don't understand is if you are JJ or CLM - why in the world not hire an assistant that can help you?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:28 am to LoveThatMoney
The lack of x and o coaching isn't even the problem with Jones. If Jones improved the management part of being a coach then this team would be hard to stop. The when to take a timeout, the what to say to the players to get them moving in the correct direction, the learning how to bully the refs.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:29 am to 756
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The whole game I wondered is he going to spell his players and give them a break
The problem is who? None of these guys off the bench really give you quality minutes and when I see Darcy get ready to go in my gorge rises.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:30 am to RedTigerRulz
Baby Bridge can at least give you a short rest. It looked like he was going to try and manage the minutes and rest for a bit when he brought in Malone right before a tv timeout.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:33 am to heartbreakTiger
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Baby Bridge
True but CJJ for whatever reason seems hesitant to pull the trigger. Guess hes afraid the wheels will come completely off if he subs anybody but the top 6 in for any length of time.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:42 am to c on z
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Epps anyone?
Yea maybe...but you still have to pull the trigger. Cant figure CJJ out on this one.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:47 am to S
They extended their man D too far on the perimeter and went for some poor traps that led to long rotations and easy shots for nc state while they were trying to climb back in.
Idk if that was coached or the players going off the reservation but it was awful.
I assume Patterson cheating for steals was all him so I'm not including that here.
Idk if that was coached or the players going off the reservation but it was awful.
I assume Patterson cheating for steals was all him so I'm not including that here.
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