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re: Anybody still think Finley is a better QB than Brennan?
Posted on 11/1/20 at 1:18 pm to justice
Posted on 11/1/20 at 1:18 pm to justice
I'm not so sure. I thought the team was fairly competitive until the turnovers and got so far behind. Then they gave up and checked out.
Im sure Brennan would have done NO BETTER with a team that gave up. But maybe he could have kept them playing hard a little bit longer with his experience, leadership, touch on his passes.
Again, we will never know, but I think it may not have been quite as bad of a beat down from the offenses part. The defense also kept up for a short time before they packed it in.
Im sure Brennan would have done NO BETTER with a team that gave up. But maybe he could have kept them playing hard a little bit longer with his experience, leadership, touch on his passes.
Again, we will never know, but I think it may not have been quite as bad of a beat down from the offenses part. The defense also kept up for a short time before they packed it in.
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Posted on 11/1/20 at 3:02 pm to crawdaddy717
I think Finley will be good with the right development, but I would hope that Brennan would be a better player after years of learning at the collegiate level. The idea that maybe Finley has a higher ceiling is still very much in play.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 3:26 pm to crawdaddy717
You have to understand the Rant has hated Brennan from the start. They bashed him for his frame predicting he’d never be an SEC QB, then even though we had Burrow they claimed since it took 3 years for him to get the job it meant he wasn’t any good then they blamed him for the losses where our defense gave up record numbers to bad teams then Finley had a solid game and they thought that finally all their predictions about Brennan were justified despite Finley putting up half the numbers Brennan did in his last start. It has nothing to do with performance, for an LSU QB to average 377ypg and almost 4TDs per game to start a career is unprecedented. This is about the Rants continued history of caring more about being right in their ignorant player evals than LSUs success.
This post was edited on 11/1/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/1/20 at 3:28 pm to Madking
The statue quarterback is a thing of the past. You have to have an all pro line like the saints in order for a pocket passer to succeed. There has to be some mobility for today’s qbs
Posted on 11/1/20 at 3:30 pm to crawdaddy717
I'd say Myles is the better quarterback but I don't think the gap is as large as it was last year between Joe and Myles. TJ looked like a true freshman in his first start on road. I felt like his reads were good, he just didn't execute. He was high on the first pic, he should've secured the ball on the fumble, and third pic the DT fought a double team to tip the ball. I can say Myles probably wouldn't have missed the throws TJ missed. I still think TJ is going to be a hell of a QB for the tigers, he just had a bad gamem
Posted on 11/1/20 at 3:36 pm to Higgysmalls
He’s putting up 377, nearly 4TDs and 36.3ppg with an extremely inconsistent running game. Statue or no statue Brennan is lighting defenses up. If we had an average defense we’d be undefeated and Brennan would be worshipped. You guys are blaming the QB for our defense which is beyond insane.
This post was edited on 11/1/20 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/1/20 at 4:05 pm to crawdaddy717
He’s limited as any raw inexperienced freshman would be.to think he was ready for prime time was stupidity
Posted on 11/1/20 at 4:06 pm to The Pirate King
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Today showed what a lack of good protection and a running game does to a QB though.
That’s the offense Brennan has played with and carried all year. Should make us appreciate him more
Posted on 11/1/20 at 4:09 pm to dukke v
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So it’s TJ’S fault we lost???
No. But we could at least have an argument about whether or not the outcome would have been the same with Brennan starting this game.
3 turnovers on your side of the field —all translated to points— definitely change the dynamic of a game.
This is no indictment of Finley, but Brennan put up the numbers that he had all year with O-line performances & running attack that looked identical to yesterday.
The defense did enough in the first half for us to potentially be on track had we put up points like we have all year.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 4:56 pm to ipodking
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He will absolutely be better than Myles one day. He has all the tools to be an elite QB
I hope he uses those “tools” to stop staring down deep routes that aren’t opening up with cement shoes on in the pocket.
Those are his biggest issues right now. He simply doesn’t navigate the pocket at all.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 5:01 pm to Higgysmalls
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The statue quarterback is a thing of the past. You have to have an all pro line like the saints in order for a pocket passer to succeed. There has to be some mobility for today’s qbs
Did you watch the game? TJ played to the the definition of a “statue” in the pocket. Go look at the sacks, the interception, the scoop and score, his feet don’t move with his eyes down field. He is a freshman, so that can all get better. Brennan is far from a statue, and is FAR better moving in the pocket with eyes downfield.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 5:04 pm to bgtiger
That was one of the things about Myles Brennan that he had not improved upon until this season, he was even doing it in the first game this year and that is not going through his progressions quickly enough to find the open man. But that's the first thing that impressed me about this kid Finley, for a true frosh he quickly went through his progressions finding the open receiver and getting rid of the ball quickly. It's just that yesterday he was up against a much better defense in a hostile SEC environment for such a young guy.
I have no ideal Wth you are looking at, Brennan is the one that's a statue in the pocket, the Finley kid moved around in the pocket really well last week. He felt the rush and moved away from it, but he struggled in this game because he was up against a much better pass rushing defense that manhandled LSU's OLine. But Myles Brennan didn't feel the rush, go back and watch him against Miss State, but he got better each game I give him credit for that even though he's still a statue in the pocket cause he can't run.
I have no ideal Wth you are looking at, Brennan is the one that's a statue in the pocket, the Finley kid moved around in the pocket really well last week. He felt the rush and moved away from it, but he struggled in this game because he was up against a much better pass rushing defense that manhandled LSU's OLine. But Myles Brennan didn't feel the rush, go back and watch him against Miss State, but he got better each game I give him credit for that even though he's still a statue in the pocket cause he can't run.
This post was edited on 11/1/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 11/1/20 at 5:08 pm to stephendomalley
Both QBs have flaws. One can’t elude pressure, has a slow release, and holds on to the ball too long at times. The other can elude pressure, makes quick decisions, but is young and makes more mistakes. Either way we are fricked with our defense.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 5:10 pm to crawdaddy717
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Anybody still think Finley is a better QB than Brennan?
Junior year Finley will be better than Junior year Brennan and I think Brennan is a very good qb but Finley is another level of talented.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 5:12 pm to geauxtigers33
I think he'll be better as a sophomore.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:41 pm to Metaloctopus
If my first post sounded like I’m accusing you when I meant it more generally, that’s my fault.
He was sacked twice against Missouri and pressured 16 times. That is about 1/3 of every drop back he has pressured and we ran for 2.5 yards per carry. He was 29/48 (60%) 430 yds 4 TD’s and no turnovers. Sounds like a pretty similar day for the oline tbh.
Someone else addressed a couple bad throws. He missed open guys especially after the INT. So many people had assured me he had incredible “poise” and “confidence”. I just wanted everyone to have reasonable expectations.
Really? You are trying to suggest that we were like children crying about Brennan being benched? I would argue his performance yesterday speaks volumes to our argument.
I’m not trying to rag on Finley, more so the people screaming his name like they had just seen Jesus. If we all agree Brennan is the guy then in no way is it ignorant to compare Brennan and Finley.
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Brennan faced "the same problems
He was sacked twice against Missouri and pressured 16 times. That is about 1/3 of every drop back he has pressured and we ran for 2.5 yards per carry. He was 29/48 (60%) 430 yds 4 TD’s and no turnovers. Sounds like a pretty similar day for the oline tbh.
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open receivers early in the game, he was hitting them
Someone else addressed a couple bad throws. He missed open guys especially after the INT. So many people had assured me he had incredible “poise” and “confidence”. I just wanted everyone to have reasonable expectations.
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Meat heads took that and ran with this narrative: "You guys think he's the messiah after one game. You turned on Brennan as soon as he got hurt. Wah, wah, wah"... It was typical tigerdroppings strawman, mischaracterization tactics to try to win a point
Really? You are trying to suggest that we were like children crying about Brennan being benched? I would argue his performance yesterday speaks volumes to our argument.
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If Brennan could improve from his first taste of adversity, why can't Finley? Why do we have to bury Finley? Myles has played well, but hasn't faced anything like yesterday. It's incredibly ignorant to try to compare the two QB's based on that.
I’m not trying to rag on Finley, more so the people screaming his name like they had just seen Jesus. If we all agree Brennan is the guy then in no way is it ignorant to compare Brennan and Finley.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 7:45 pm to Metaloctopus
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TJ Finley looked fine up until the point that he threw that first interception,
Nope! He looked terrible from the first throw.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:12 pm to crawdaddy717
I really don't think it would have mattered who we had at QB.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:27 pm to tubucoco
We have differing definitions of “statue”.
He doesn’t climb the pocket at all yet. Running away from pressure isn’t always the answer. He gets rid of the ball quicker than MB, but goddamn his footwork is horrible in the pocket. IF it was better and he could slide up and around the pocket, he could have kept from putting us down by two touchdowns earlier in the game, which is what allowed AU to come after him and made their D look better than they are. OUR defense didn’t put us in a hole from snap one like they did against MSU and Mizzou. We had a decent shot until the two giant frick ups.
Fact is, it was his second full game. MB only had one more than that as starter. The stats don’t lie, and Brennan’s were just better.
I don’t want to bang on TJ too much, because I like him and think he has potential to be very good. He has a bit of a hill to climb to be that though.
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He felt the rush and moved away from it,
He doesn’t climb the pocket at all yet. Running away from pressure isn’t always the answer. He gets rid of the ball quicker than MB, but goddamn his footwork is horrible in the pocket. IF it was better and he could slide up and around the pocket, he could have kept from putting us down by two touchdowns earlier in the game, which is what allowed AU to come after him and made their D look better than they are. OUR defense didn’t put us in a hole from snap one like they did against MSU and Mizzou. We had a decent shot until the two giant frick ups.
Fact is, it was his second full game. MB only had one more than that as starter. The stats don’t lie, and Brennan’s were just better.
I don’t want to bang on TJ too much, because I like him and think he has potential to be very good. He has a bit of a hill to climb to be that though.
This post was edited on 11/1/20 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:40 pm to crawdaddy717
Nope
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